Punter sticks it to Sunil Gavaskar
I seem to recall Ricky Ponting championing Australia's Spirit of Cricket document which set standards of on and off-field behaviour for the Australian cricket team. The way Punter has been carrying on lately, I think he's just given up on the whole concept and decided to worry about winning first and behaviour... well, not at all. Sunil Gavaskar recently criticised Ponting's behaviour which had Ponting accusing Sunny of being high and mighty:
"If he is talking about us, what about the way India have played their cricket over the last few years? I know who I would rather be going to watch. Have a look at how many Test matches they have won. He [Gavaskar] has been a big part of that, he has been a selector and he has been on the coaching committee. They might want to start to look at the way they play their own cricket rather than looking at us."In other words, Australia might be carrying on like petulant prats but at least they win more games than India. Ponting is one of Australia's greatest batsman and has a great captaincy record. But the Australian captain's job is not just to win matches but to represent his country. With regular dummy spits, the dreaded Pawar shoving incident and now the way he handles criticism, Ponting is showing all the diplomacy and statesmanship of a George Bush.
| Posted by JC on Mon 12 Mar |  33 comments |
"For him to go on about behaviour, not too many captains have dragged their teams off the field, either. I don't mind if 'Mr Perfect' comes out and goes on about our team, I know we are all not perfect. We are not going to keep everyone happy 100% of the time. But for some of these guys that have done it all themselves, it's pretty high and mighty for them to say that."
Nice of you to selectively quote, JC. His point is that it's a bit rich of Sunny to talk about behaviour when SG himself was involved in one of cricket's most famous dummy spits.
Wisden Almanack says, "Given out lbw to Lillee, Gavaskar indicated that he had edged the ball on to his pad, and was so enraged that he wanted to forfeit the match, ordering his partner, Chauhan, to walk off with him."
He'd be fine with it if, say, Rahul Dravid (Mr Perfect) had said it.
The rest of what Punter says is irrelevant.
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-12 18:18:04
Nice of you to selectively quote, JC. His point is that it's a bit rich of Sunny to talk about behaviour when SG himself was involved in one of cricket's most famous dummy spits.
Wisden Almanack says, "Given out lbw to Lillee, Gavaskar indicated that he had edged the ball on to his pad, and was so enraged that he wanted to forfeit the match, ordering his partner, Chauhan, to walk off with him."
He'd be fine with it if, say, Rahul Dravid (Mr Perfect) had said it.
The rest of what Punter says is irrelevant.
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-12 18:18:04
I don't know about the criteria you set up for yourself there Stumps. If the argument is that only people who have never got upset on the cricket field can accuse others of bad behaviour then why does Punter even respond? Punter's behaviour is atrocious and Sunny hit a raw nerve with his comments. But I do not necessarily think Punter would accept this criticism gracefully if someone with a cleaner record like Mark Taylor made it.
Posted by TA on 2007-03-12 19:09:19
Posted by TA on 2007-03-12 19:09:19
Ponting made two points - one that Gavaskar was a hypocrite, two that Australia had won more matches than India lately. The second point is the height of arrogance (and irrelevant) hence more deserved of comment.
I did think about quoting Ponting on the 'Mr Perfect' stuff as it didn't particularly impress me either. Gavaskar is one of cricket's revered greats and Ponting resorts to schoolyard taunts. Imagine if an Indian labelled Bradman sarcastically as "Mr Perfect" and "high and mighty". And besides, that was one incident 25 years ago. Ponting has a history of regular bad behaviour, this latest comment epitomising his attitude problem.
Still, I'll still take a match winning Ponting century in the World Cup final if it comes along :-)
Posted by JC on 2007-03-12 19:58:08
I did think about quoting Ponting on the 'Mr Perfect' stuff as it didn't particularly impress me either. Gavaskar is one of cricket's revered greats and Ponting resorts to schoolyard taunts. Imagine if an Indian labelled Bradman sarcastically as "Mr Perfect" and "high and mighty". And besides, that was one incident 25 years ago. Ponting has a history of regular bad behaviour, this latest comment epitomising his attitude problem.
Still, I'll still take a match winning Ponting century in the World Cup final if it comes along :-)
Posted by JC on 2007-03-12 19:58:08
JC, Ponting didn't refer to SG as "Mr Perfect". Read that quote again. ;)
Besides, Sunny as an ICC Official shouldn't have made his initial comments, anyway. Care to discuss his diplomacy, JC?
Re Punter's history of bad behaviour - true, he does behave poorly on occasion and every time he's realised his error of judgement. And he's even admitted to it in that article. What's wrong with that?
Plus I don't see why an irrelevant comment is more deserving of a comment.
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-12 21:50:43
Besides, Sunny as an ICC Official shouldn't have made his initial comments, anyway. Care to discuss his diplomacy, JC?
Re Punter's history of bad behaviour - true, he does behave poorly on occasion and every time he's realised his error of judgement. And he's even admitted to it in that article. What's wrong with that?
Plus I don't see why an irrelevant comment is more deserving of a comment.
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-12 21:50:43
JC Ponting actually makes the point, that no one is perfect, everyone has been guilty at some time of a being human, so until Mr Perfect comes alone, how about they just shut up, and let him get on with the cricket.
Your a bit blind when it comes to discussing Australia, you just assume now they are being arrogant.
I think we should just invent a new sport. Its called Bash the Australian Cricket Team, or "Tall Poppy Syndrome" for those playing at home.
For example what exactly has Australia done on the field or off the field recently that has been so arrogant?
The last real incident has been the Lou Vincent issue, which was pretty much New Zealand trying to stir things up.
Andrew
Posted by Andrew on 2007-03-13 00:46:48
Your a bit blind when it comes to discussing Australia, you just assume now they are being arrogant.
I think we should just invent a new sport. Its called Bash the Australian Cricket Team, or "Tall Poppy Syndrome" for those playing at home.
For example what exactly has Australia done on the field or off the field recently that has been so arrogant?
The last real incident has been the Lou Vincent issue, which was pretty much New Zealand trying to stir things up.
Andrew
Posted by Andrew on 2007-03-13 00:46:48
Ok, I did misread what he meant by 'Mr Perfect' (but I didn't misread the 'high and mighty'). But there's no denying Australia's arrogance. Even they admit that - take it as a badge of honour when accused of arrogance as Matt Hayden did during the Lou Vincent incident. And it's not necessarily a bad thing if it's maintaining an intimidating aura, owning the field with a Sir Viv style swagger.
But it's when they cross the line that I have a problem. Shoving Pawar, mouthing off at umpires, ungraciously slagging off minnows. I personally enjoy sledging but I sometimes cringe when it gets ugly.
Yes, I'm pretty hard on our own team. I'm very passionate about Australian cricket and celebrate when we win. I'm also very quick (too quick sometimes but that's a sports fan's perogative) to sink the boot. I know I'm too hard on players like Hayden and Martyn but they just rub me up the wrong way sometimes. As an Australian, I feel somewhat represented by our boys to the global community. And sometimes the way they carry on and the things they say is downright embarrassing.
Posted by JC on 2007-03-13 07:39:19
But it's when they cross the line that I have a problem. Shoving Pawar, mouthing off at umpires, ungraciously slagging off minnows. I personally enjoy sledging but I sometimes cringe when it gets ugly.
Yes, I'm pretty hard on our own team. I'm very passionate about Australian cricket and celebrate when we win. I'm also very quick (too quick sometimes but that's a sports fan's perogative) to sink the boot. I know I'm too hard on players like Hayden and Martyn but they just rub me up the wrong way sometimes. As an Australian, I feel somewhat represented by our boys to the global community. And sometimes the way they carry on and the things they say is downright embarrassing.
Posted by JC on 2007-03-13 07:39:19
JC are you telling me no other team has ever slagged off an umpire? Its not that common and
Arrogance is a badge of honour the way Hayden meant it. They are arrogant because they believe they can win. They wouldn't be the Australian Cricket Team, if they didn't believe they can win. Its that self belief that helps them pull off the big wins.
How many times have you seen a player just give up because they think the game is over. (KP was a classic example during the Ashes)
Lou Vincent was annoyed because the Australian were cocky all the time and because they sledged as a team, rather than letting their wicket keeper from doing all the work. Think about what he was complaining about. Lou was just during a Smith, trying to play mind games.
To be honest there is not a massive amount of difference between the top teams, apart from attitude, and other external factors. Mental attitude is crictical. The ability to stay positive is why so many teams have a shrink with them,
Posted by Andrew on 2007-03-13 10:59:49
Arrogance is a badge of honour the way Hayden meant it. They are arrogant because they believe they can win. They wouldn't be the Australian Cricket Team, if they didn't believe they can win. Its that self belief that helps them pull off the big wins.
How many times have you seen a player just give up because they think the game is over. (KP was a classic example during the Ashes)
Lou Vincent was annoyed because the Australian were cocky all the time and because they sledged as a team, rather than letting their wicket keeper from doing all the work. Think about what he was complaining about. Lou was just during a Smith, trying to play mind games.
To be honest there is not a massive amount of difference between the top teams, apart from attitude, and other external factors. Mental attitude is crictical. The ability to stay positive is why so many teams have a shrink with them,
Posted by Andrew on 2007-03-13 10:59:49
I think it's important to consider the motives behind Sunny's comments. I suspect they may be similar to those made by Sir Isaac Vivian. Any thing that takes the Aussies eye off the ball at this point is a victory to our opponents. If I were Ponting I'd just smile and say that "we are always looking for feedback that we can use to improve ourselves and we thank Sunny for his contribution"
Translation: we couldn't careless what you think Gavaskar.
Posted by P. Dorf on 2007-03-13 11:07:23
Translation: we couldn't careless what you think Gavaskar.
Posted by P. Dorf on 2007-03-13 11:07:23
I think Sir Viv and Sunny's comments will have the opposite effect of sharpening the Aussie's attitudes. Re Lou Vincent's comments, I have no problem with Australia sledging like a pack or having buckets of self belief. It's more the attitude of "thinking they're bigger than the game" as Lou Vincent puts it that is the problem. It's not always the case but that attitude seems to spill out every now and then in ugly episodes that give Australia a bad name.
Posted by JC on 2007-03-13 12:16:11
Posted by JC on 2007-03-13 12:16:11
You can sledge, play hard cricket, dominate and still have the respect of players around the world. Steve Waugh is still greatly respected by all the WI players including Viv and Curtly. Australia have consistently crossed the line under Punter and they need to pull their heads back in. The truth is Australia choked big time after Vincent's comments proving that this niggling is getting to them (maybe Hadyen did enjoy the banter but the rest of the team but the rest have played crappy cricket since the comments were made). When Kevin Pietersen has a go at AB for his comments and Punter has a go at Sunny for his I think it is a case of egos getting in the way. Punter is good but he ain't quite yet Gavaskar in my books.
Posted by TA on 2007-03-13 13:34:15
Posted by TA on 2007-03-13 13:34:15
Re the "shove" of Pawar - while it was thoughtless, there was no intended malice, Ponting called Pawar a half a dozen times to apologise personally.
Mouthing off at umpires? The players have been well behaved all summer. Except for Shane Warne. But he barely gets a mention on this blog when you discuss poor behaviour. Referring to Punter in the DLF Cup, for questioning a wide? A stupid act, and he realised it. He apologised officially and called his team for an early team meeting to apologise to them as well.
Ungraciously slagging off minnows? Ponting was asked a question, probably whether he agreed with Michael Holding's comments. He gave his honest opinion. "I have always thought there are probably places and times for minnow nations to be playing. I am not sure if the World Cup and Champions Trophy is one of those times." Punter is pro expansion if it is done correctly. He thinks it's important for the small nations to learn the game, but is skeptical if they can do that if they are getting thrashed.
I love how when Australia sledge, or whatever, it's considered arrogance. When other teams do it, it's showing strength, character and team unity. Remember when Simon Jones hit Hayden with a throw, and the way his team walked up to Hayden? England fans applauded that. Or how about Chris Gayle's histrionics against Michael Clarke in the ICC Champions game? Windies fans were glad for Gayle for "standing up to the Australians". Or how about the way South Africa carry on, and how that's viewed as aggression and team unity? These things are commonplace, but Australia appears to be singled out. Reputation sticks like mud.
JC, I've had trouble posting on your blog as the security image appears only on occasion. Other times, I don't see the image at all, which makes posting rather difficult.
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-13 18:54:13
Mouthing off at umpires? The players have been well behaved all summer. Except for Shane Warne. But he barely gets a mention on this blog when you discuss poor behaviour. Referring to Punter in the DLF Cup, for questioning a wide? A stupid act, and he realised it. He apologised officially and called his team for an early team meeting to apologise to them as well.
Ungraciously slagging off minnows? Ponting was asked a question, probably whether he agreed with Michael Holding's comments. He gave his honest opinion. "I have always thought there are probably places and times for minnow nations to be playing. I am not sure if the World Cup and Champions Trophy is one of those times." Punter is pro expansion if it is done correctly. He thinks it's important for the small nations to learn the game, but is skeptical if they can do that if they are getting thrashed.
I love how when Australia sledge, or whatever, it's considered arrogance. When other teams do it, it's showing strength, character and team unity. Remember when Simon Jones hit Hayden with a throw, and the way his team walked up to Hayden? England fans applauded that. Or how about Chris Gayle's histrionics against Michael Clarke in the ICC Champions game? Windies fans were glad for Gayle for "standing up to the Australians". Or how about the way South Africa carry on, and how that's viewed as aggression and team unity? These things are commonplace, but Australia appears to be singled out. Reputation sticks like mud.
JC, I've had trouble posting on your blog as the security image appears only on occasion. Other times, I don't see the image at all, which makes posting rather difficult.
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-13 18:54:13
Hmm, I've had someone made the same comment about the security images on my other site sev.com.au so something funky is going on there, will have to check it out. Thanks for the tip.
I know Ponting has apologised for his misdemeanours. He seems to do a lot of apologising. I don't remember other past Australian captains needing to say sorry so often for such regular thoughtless behaviour. And about the Pawar apology, it was pretty half-arsed, something like "if an apology is required, then I'll give it". It sounded like a John Howard-like pseudo-apology. And James Sutherland's extraordinarily inane comment "it was a cultural thing" made the pill even more bitter.
I don't think other teams are blameless. I did bag England's habit of tossing the ball at the batsman as chest thumping bullying at the time. Herschelle Gibbs comment about the Pakistani fans was a shocker. I wasn't able to watch the Champion's Trophy matches so didn't have much to say about Gayle vs Clarke. But in general, while I try and follow cricket all over the world, I've limited myself to commenting on issues related direclty to Australian cricket (mostly). Not for any other reason than time constraints - I spend more time on this blog than I probably should so that was a limit I imposed on myself. And I always have the most praise and harshest criticisms of the Australian team as is often the case with Australian fans.
Posted by JC on 2007-03-13 19:46:23
I know Ponting has apologised for his misdemeanours. He seems to do a lot of apologising. I don't remember other past Australian captains needing to say sorry so often for such regular thoughtless behaviour. And about the Pawar apology, it was pretty half-arsed, something like "if an apology is required, then I'll give it". It sounded like a John Howard-like pseudo-apology. And James Sutherland's extraordinarily inane comment "it was a cultural thing" made the pill even more bitter.
I don't think other teams are blameless. I did bag England's habit of tossing the ball at the batsman as chest thumping bullying at the time. Herschelle Gibbs comment about the Pakistani fans was a shocker. I wasn't able to watch the Champion's Trophy matches so didn't have much to say about Gayle vs Clarke. But in general, while I try and follow cricket all over the world, I've limited myself to commenting on issues related direclty to Australian cricket (mostly). Not for any other reason than time constraints - I spend more time on this blog than I probably should so that was a limit I imposed on myself. And I always have the most praise and harshest criticisms of the Australian team as is often the case with Australian fans.
Posted by JC on 2007-03-13 19:46:23
Well put stumps.
The funny thing is one of the most arrogant and undiplomatic thing done in this whole news post is for an ICC OFFICIAL to be bad mouthing a team. He is not commentating on offical report, or complaint. Can you imagine if an Australian dare critise a sub-continent team for anything. There would be riots in the streets and calls of racism and leave our cricket team alone, plus a witch hunt to get the Australian sacked.
Gavaskar has had a history of attacking the Australian team "Gavaskar first launched an attack on the Australian team's behaviour in 2003 when Steve Waugh was captain."
Gavaskar has been on a mission about Australia for the last 26 years since he claims his attempted walkout was due to abuse.
So Gavaskar's issue with a personal one, and has nothing to do with the current Australian team. He just has a bug in his bonnet.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-03-13 22:27:03
The funny thing is one of the most arrogant and undiplomatic thing done in this whole news post is for an ICC OFFICIAL to be bad mouthing a team. He is not commentating on offical report, or complaint. Can you imagine if an Australian dare critise a sub-continent team for anything. There would be riots in the streets and calls of racism and leave our cricket team alone, plus a witch hunt to get the Australian sacked.
Gavaskar has had a history of attacking the Australian team "Gavaskar first launched an attack on the Australian team's behaviour in 2003 when Steve Waugh was captain."
Gavaskar has been on a mission about Australia for the last 26 years since he claims his attempted walkout was due to abuse.
So Gavaskar's issue with a personal one, and has nothing to do with the current Australian team. He just has a bug in his bonnet.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-03-13 22:27:03
Evening all. World Cup Eve and all rather exciting!! Much ado about very little JC!! Think I've said that before on this blog.
Nice to have some thoughtful and intelligent commments from Stumps. Could be me writing under an alias!!!!
I was ignorant of the fact that Gavaskar was an ICC official. He should be summarily dismissed from whatever post he holds.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with world cricket that the abolition/disbandonment of the ICC wouldn't fix. Start at the top with that joker Speed, whose handling of the Hair Affair was disgraceful and embarrassing.
Go Aussies! Don't think we can win without Roy in full swing. Perhaps we can sledge our way to victory.
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-03-13 23:06:46
Nice to have some thoughtful and intelligent commments from Stumps. Could be me writing under an alias!!!!
I was ignorant of the fact that Gavaskar was an ICC official. He should be summarily dismissed from whatever post he holds.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with world cricket that the abolition/disbandonment of the ICC wouldn't fix. Start at the top with that joker Speed, whose handling of the Hair Affair was disgraceful and embarrassing.
Go Aussies! Don't think we can win without Roy in full swing. Perhaps we can sledge our way to victory.
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-03-13 23:06:46
Gavaskar's lateste response:
"Some day, some other hot head guy might actually get down and you know whack somebody who abuses him," Gavaskar said in his latest reaction on ESPN. He cited the example of former Australian cricketer David Hookes, who had been fatally beaten up outside a bar."There's the example of the late David Hookes. Would the Australians who use that kind of language on the field, and not all of them do, in a bar and would they get away with it? Would they have a fist coming at their face or not?"
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-14 06:01:03
"Some day, some other hot head guy might actually get down and you know whack somebody who abuses him," Gavaskar said in his latest reaction on ESPN. He cited the example of former Australian cricketer David Hookes, who had been fatally beaten up outside a bar."There's the example of the late David Hookes. Would the Australians who use that kind of language on the field, and not all of them do, in a bar and would they get away with it? Would they have a fist coming at their face or not?"
Posted by stumps on 2007-03-14 06:01:03
We all know tough aussies play rugby or A.F.L .Wasnt ponting beaten up in a hotel , as were Ian Healy and Greg Matthews. As Ian Chappell said " cricketers arent fighters" but aussie ones sure have big mouths , and egos lol
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-14 10:52:54
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-14 10:52:54
Ponting had drinking problems and yes, got in a bar brawl very early in his career. Once he became captain though, I remember one of his closest friends saying it was like he had a personality transplant. He became Mr Serious, all sign of the old larrikin disappeared. I think he's a completely different person to the guy who got in a brawl. Back then it was the alcohol talking. Now he's completely sober.
Posted by JC on 2007-03-14 11:09:27
Posted by JC on 2007-03-14 11:09:27
T he point is , in most cultures including Australia if a man talks to you in the street in the way Ponting , Warne , Mcgrath ,McGill,Hayden etc address the opposition you would expect a good punch on the nose ! Its no coincidence the Aussies are bereft of cultural awareness, mainly anglo celtic private school boys or country people play cricket in Aust . Note the lack of Greek,Italian , Aboriginal,Lebanese,Pacific Islanders, Vietnamese names in the Pura Cup. Pontings a Tasmanian , the most anglicized state in australia with the least immigrants
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-14 12:37:32
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-14 12:37:32
And note the age old tactic of Ponting and his supporters of attacking Gavaskar, instead of responding to Gavaskars point that the Aussies are unloved bymost of the cricket community .
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-14 12:41:54
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-14 12:41:54
[quote]"The point is , in most cultures including Australia if a man talks to you in the street in the way Ponting , Warne , Mcgrath ,McGill,Hayden etc address the opposition you would expect a good punch on the nose !"[/quote]
that has to be THE most innane comment ive ever heard.
why would anybody talk to someone on the street the same way as you do your opposition?
the opposition are the enemy, it is your job to humiliate them, its their job to stop you, the're not there to play tiddly winks.
In Oz we have a saying in sporting circles, "Whats said on the field stays on the field"
Posted by JT on 2007-03-15 12:03:01
that has to be THE most innane comment ive ever heard.
why would anybody talk to someone on the street the same way as you do your opposition?
the opposition are the enemy, it is your job to humiliate them, its their job to stop you, the're not there to play tiddly winks.
In Oz we have a saying in sporting circles, "Whats said on the field stays on the field"
Posted by JT on 2007-03-15 12:03:01
JT thats why cricket is a nancy boys game mate lmao. At rugby or AFL you need to back up your big mouth with PHYSICAL COURAGE. Thats why tough men in Australia [ with a couple of exceptions]dont play cricket lol. ITS SPORT not WAR lol HUMILIATE LOL and you have the temerity to call my comment inane . how old are you 14?
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-16 09:54:08
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-16 09:54:08
And JT it would be ok if cricket was like AFL in that it was an australian only game . Dont you the the Other teams have some rights to play cricket in a way that is not culturally offensive to them . What stays on the field lol thats the cowards way . If i was abused on the field id sort it out with a nice left jab , left hook combination. I wish americans played cricket lol then listen to the aussies squeal about bullies and sledging . ian chappel played baseball thats where it started imho .
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-16 10:10:20
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-16 10:10:20
JT, I have to disagree. Sledging is not designed to humiliate, it's meant to plant seeds of doubt in the opposition's mind (I've written a whole post on the art of sledging which defends the art but also stresses limits). And "what's said on the field stays on the field" shouldn't give a player carte blanche to say anything he likes. There are lines that shouldn't be crossed such as racial vilification. It's not always clear where that line is but the point is there is a line... somewhere!
Posted by JC on 2007-03-16 12:02:33
Posted by JC on 2007-03-16 12:02:33
Thank you , JC . well put
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-16 12:36:53
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-16 12:36:53
anti-f00, if you cant respond intelligently then dont :)
JC i never said sledging was about humiliating your advisary. as i do not believe i said that racial vilification was alright to use on the field.
my point is and ill reiteratie it one more time for those of you who are alittle "slow"
ANTIF00L made this comment "T he point is , in most cultures including Australia if a man talks to you in the street in the way Ponting , Warne , Mcgrath ,McGill,Hayden etc address the opposition you would expect a good punch on the nose !"
i was pointing out how utterly senseless and pathetic the comment was as unlike ANTIF00L most "NORMAL" people dont talk to mr Joe Blow on the street like they were competing against them in a sporting event be it cricket or whatever.
Posted by JT on 2007-03-17 12:14:40
JC i never said sledging was about humiliating your advisary. as i do not believe i said that racial vilification was alright to use on the field.
my point is and ill reiteratie it one more time for those of you who are alittle "slow"
ANTIF00L made this comment "T he point is , in most cultures including Australia if a man talks to you in the street in the way Ponting , Warne , Mcgrath ,McGill,Hayden etc address the opposition you would expect a good punch on the nose !"
i was pointing out how utterly senseless and pathetic the comment was as unlike ANTIF00L most "NORMAL" people dont talk to mr Joe Blow on the street like they were competing against them in a sporting event be it cricket or whatever.
Posted by JT on 2007-03-17 12:14:40
hooksey was a champion sledger lmao
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-17 12:49:46
Posted by antisledging on 2007-03-17 12:49:46
M point is JT that the aussie cricketers DO seem to speak to the public like that , hence the number of them that have been aussalted lol. I notice they dont sledge tough guys like Viv Richards ,Ian Botham ,Simon Jones , AndrewFintoff , [Des Haynes offered Healy to sort it out and little Ian was reduced to tears.] Obviously you have trouble understand that in some cultures , verbal abuse invites physical retaliation, even if it is on the field . Does JT stand for juvenile twerp or is it jerking prick lmao
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-17 13:02:43
Posted by ANTISLEDGING on 2007-03-17 13:02:43
antif00 i see you still have nothing intelligent to add to the conversations so SHHHHHH
actualy ill give you the benefit of the doubt, provide evidence to support your libelious accusations.
if you cant then STFU :D
Posted by JT on 2007-03-17 15:53:56
actualy ill give you the benefit of the doubt, provide evidence to support your libelious accusations.
if you cant then STFU :D
Posted by JT on 2007-03-17 15:53:56
Antisledging, just to go slightly off topic, Simon Jones is a tough guy? Cause he can get his gear off in front of a camera and has cut pecs? The guy is as injure prone as Shane Watson - if there was any English cricketer that I would take on in a fight... and there are none - I'm a complete wuss. But say I was in a bar with the complete English squad and in an absolute pinch had to pick one of them in a battle of fisticuffs, I'd opt for Simon Jones and hope he pulled a hammy before he laid a finger on me! :-)
Posted by JC on 2007-03-17 18:15:32
Posted by JC on 2007-03-17 18:15:32
Those plainly chauvinist about Aussie behavioiur would do well to remember that till recently the West Indies, who till date are the most admired and respected worldwide, were the uncrowned royalty as far as cricket was concerned, but they never stooped so low as to push a host minister out of the way; or sledge disrespectfully about some player's wife. Poor upbringing and reflects a boorish national culture thats all.You guys may plead for Ponti all through the summer, but the fact is he and his current team are the pits in public behaviour. For God's sake donot even compare him with Sunny who's earned iconic status through not just his game, but his cultured behavioiur throughout his life - before and after his cricketing life.
Posted by vijairag on 2007-03-20 17:36:38
Posted by vijairag on 2007-03-20 17:36:38
The pits in public behaviour at the moment are the Poms.
I've long been an admirer of Gavaskar, as both a player and commentator/official.
Whilst in the employ of the ICC I'd have thought he was under some sort of contractual obligation to keep his mouth firmly shut on all matters not strictly related to his appointment. That he has since apologised to the family of David Hookes is to his great credit, and a measure of the man. Again shows the woefulness of the ICC! (There I go again!)
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-03-20 20:26:40
I've long been an admirer of Gavaskar, as both a player and commentator/official.
Whilst in the employ of the ICC I'd have thought he was under some sort of contractual obligation to keep his mouth firmly shut on all matters not strictly related to his appointment. That he has since apologised to the family of David Hookes is to his great credit, and a measure of the man. Again shows the woefulness of the ICC! (There I go again!)
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-03-20 20:26:40
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