Was Gilly's squash ball illegal?
A furore has erupted over whether Adam Gilchrist's squash ball was illegal. In his whirlwind World Cup winning innings of 149, Gilly batted with a squash ball in his batting glove. Now angry Sri Lankans are demanding the World Cup final be replayed. Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have titled that post "How a squash ball won the World Cup".
What I find interesting is who kicked up the fuss. I haven't heard anything from players, officials or the ICC. No, it's all come from bloggers. Far be it from me to deride a group that I'm a member of but as Bart Simpson succintly puts it, we should listen to people whose opinions actually matter. We bloggers are an angry lot, ranting and raving from the secluded comfort of our darkened computer rooms. I love to deride Andrew Symond's poor Test form or Ricky Ponting's lack of statesmanship but I imagine if I ever met them in the flesh, I would be as obsequious and fawning as the next fan.
As for the actual squash ball, I believe its a storm in a teacup (what else would you expect an Australian blogger to say). The squash ball wasn't some magic bullet, delivering super spring to launch the ball deep into the stratosphere. Gilly has been doing that for years due to his high grip and fast bat speed. I've been surprised for years that more batsmen don't mimic his bat grip to obtain similar power. The ball was merely an aid in correcting his grip.
And now the fans are calling for a replay. It's about as likely as seeing George Bush impeached (I guess we all have our unrealistic dreams). Although it will never happen, it's fun to speculate the slippery slope we'd embark upon if we did have a rematch. What other injustices would we need to redress? We could finish the 3rd Test between England and Pakistan that Darrell Hair infamously cut short. Or on the subject of unfair advantages, how about we replay the 2005 Ashes as the English bowlers obviously used mints to obtain reverse swing. And I hear Shane Warne wears a pair of socks down his trousers to help him win over English lasses. Surely this should be branded unfair advantage.
| Posted by JC on Sun 6 May |  73 comments |
Of all those parallels, its warne's pair of socks that comes closest to squash balls ......
Posted by Sfx on 2007-05-06 11:19:46
Posted by Sfx on 2007-05-06 11:19:46
I wonder if there IS a rule banning any 'foreign substance' in the batting gloves.But anyway I think this is a very childish thing for the Sri Lankan fans to complain about.I don't think the players would take too uch notice.They were thoroughly outplayed on the day and the best team won,and that is all that matters...
Posted by Ajesh Nag on 2007-05-06 16:05:07
Posted by Ajesh Nag on 2007-05-06 16:05:07
You are funny as hell JC. I am a fan of your writing style. Great command on the language too. And as far as the squash ball is concerned, my team (India) would need balls of a different kind to win, 1000 squash balls would do nothing.
Posted by jay on 2007-05-07 04:16:40
Posted by jay on 2007-05-07 04:16:40
Geez... half a squash ball makes DK Lillee's aluminium bat seem a bit extreme. What about the way in which the wicketkeepers' thumb webbing has crept in - you'd be at a serious disadvantage now without one!
Anyhow, it's only a game of cricket, no one's gonna die...
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-07 08:56:26
Anyhow, it's only a game of cricket, no one's gonna die...
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-07 08:56:26
"The ball was merely an aid in correcting his grip."
I think that just about proves it - if batsmen could use(legally) such aids to correct problems with their grip then why don't they just use custom made bat handles??
I don't make any assumptions about who the better team was throughout the tournament however it does say something that the player who made the difference between the teams was concealing something he could so easily have got cleared by the officials before hand.
Its also a bit odd that if it WAS so legal - he waited until the final to use it.
Posted by charles on 2007-05-07 10:34:16
I think that just about proves it - if batsmen could use(legally) such aids to correct problems with their grip then why don't they just use custom made bat handles??
I don't make any assumptions about who the better team was throughout the tournament however it does say something that the player who made the difference between the teams was concealing something he could so easily have got cleared by the officials before hand.
Its also a bit odd that if it WAS so legal - he waited until the final to use it.
Posted by charles on 2007-05-07 10:34:16
Charles:
Using this logic, every national leader who fiddles with pens during speeches, every racing car driver chewing gum, every footballer wearing neck supports, and every swimmer wearing the full length body suit is a potential 'cheat' who should be dragged before their respective tribunals and flayed for not getting 'clearance'. I am actually quite peeved that Gilly used the squash ball because it may have prevented him from breaking the record for the fastest 100 which he almost broke a few months ago. Sheesh, losers will grasp at every straw to soothe their wounded pride. Instead of focusing on Gilly, why don't the rest of the teams around the world learn how to be competitive?
Posted by TA on 2007-05-07 10:58:46
Using this logic, every national leader who fiddles with pens during speeches, every racing car driver chewing gum, every footballer wearing neck supports, and every swimmer wearing the full length body suit is a potential 'cheat' who should be dragged before their respective tribunals and flayed for not getting 'clearance'. I am actually quite peeved that Gilly used the squash ball because it may have prevented him from breaking the record for the fastest 100 which he almost broke a few months ago. Sheesh, losers will grasp at every straw to soothe their wounded pride. Instead of focusing on Gilly, why don't the rest of the teams around the world learn how to be competitive?
Posted by TA on 2007-05-07 10:58:46
Here is enough proof to show that there is a probelm here and ICC should take a decision about Australia holding the cup any longer. It's against the spirit of the game. Gentlemans game is at Risk. Mr. Speed, we want you to act! ICC Board, Country Cricket Boards,,,we want you to think about the credibility of the game.
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/293237.html
http://www.nationnews.com/story/316743561716978.php
Use the following email to spread this all over the world to save the game being manipulated as people wish. Send it to many peole as possible, icluding Australians and cricket administrators.
A FWD Message:
All,
Gilchrist's innings is against the cricket laws at the WC Final. He had a hidden squash ball inside is hand glove. This is against the true interest of the game and it is definitely not true sportsmanship. If he was honest, he could have informed about it to the umpires or the Sri Lankan captain before starting his innings, but he didn't, he was hiding it till he scored a century to gain undue advantage and destroy Sri Lankan hopes.
It was not a natural innings. Sri Lanka did not loose against Australia, they lost against illegally stronger Gilly.
If a Sri Lankan did this, we all know how Australians would have behaved. So, we shouldn't be negative or feel bad about pushing this, we need to take this to the highest level possible.
Do a Google search, many people are writing and talking about it, but it needs to go to the international level, so please forward this to all you know, write in your websites, inform the media, create an awareness and get respective cricket administrators to act.
May be the final match can be cancelled or replayed. At least, if all accept that it was becuase of an illegal innings that Sri Lanka lost, the SL team can be considered the world's best cricket team even though they don't hold the cup!
Regards,
True Cricket Lovers
Posted by NZ Supporter on 2007-05-07 13:25:52
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/293237.html
http://www.nationnews.com/story/316743561716978.php
Use the following email to spread this all over the world to save the game being manipulated as people wish. Send it to many peole as possible, icluding Australians and cricket administrators.
A FWD Message:
All,
Gilchrist's innings is against the cricket laws at the WC Final. He had a hidden squash ball inside is hand glove. This is against the true interest of the game and it is definitely not true sportsmanship. If he was honest, he could have informed about it to the umpires or the Sri Lankan captain before starting his innings, but he didn't, he was hiding it till he scored a century to gain undue advantage and destroy Sri Lankan hopes.
It was not a natural innings. Sri Lanka did not loose against Australia, they lost against illegally stronger Gilly.
If a Sri Lankan did this, we all know how Australians would have behaved. So, we shouldn't be negative or feel bad about pushing this, we need to take this to the highest level possible.
Do a Google search, many people are writing and talking about it, but it needs to go to the international level, so please forward this to all you know, write in your websites, inform the media, create an awareness and get respective cricket administrators to act.
May be the final match can be cancelled or replayed. At least, if all accept that it was becuase of an illegal innings that Sri Lanka lost, the SL team can be considered the world's best cricket team even though they don't hold the cup!
Regards,
True Cricket Lovers
Posted by NZ Supporter on 2007-05-07 13:25:52
This seems to clear it up...
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/columns/content/current/story/293249.html
Posted by MT on 2007-05-07 14:34:37
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/columns/content/current/story/293249.html
Posted by MT on 2007-05-07 14:34:37
Just read a post on A Different Stroke (a Sri Lankan blog authored by our pal Voice in Colombo, hiya VIC!). Addressing the issue of SquashBallGate, he links to one of my posts from before this storm erupted:
Posted by JC on 2007-05-07 15:09:54
Australian cricket blogger JC, indirectly admitted that "a squash ball won the world cup for their country".When I penned that rather flippant headline, I had no idea the legality of the squash ball would come into question. I'm a naieve fool! I never dreamt I would be called as a witness for the prosecution! Forgive me, Don Gilly!
Posted by JC on 2007-05-07 15:09:54
If he were actually cheating he wouldnt actually make pointed references to it in the middle of the stadium on live television at the exact moment when everybody would be watching him....
JC the problem with such ruckus is that people give too much credence to useless opinion....Why do you want to give further reason for these worthless prats to spout their garbage by acknowledging them. Just ignore them and lets all focus on pure cricket matters please.
I dont want that wonderful innings to be sullied by such childish accusations.
Posted by jethro on 2007-05-07 15:48:09
JC the problem with such ruckus is that people give too much credence to useless opinion....Why do you want to give further reason for these worthless prats to spout their garbage by acknowledging them. Just ignore them and lets all focus on pure cricket matters please.
I dont want that wonderful innings to be sullied by such childish accusations.
Posted by jethro on 2007-05-07 15:48:09
Let's have a replay. Gilly will remove the squash ball which Sri Lankan fans think is suspect and contrary to the laws of cricket. In exchange Sri Lanka can remove Murali, whose action the world thinks is suspect and contrary to the laws of cricket.
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-05-07 15:50:42
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-05-07 15:50:42
To quote from the Cricinfo website I listed before, the question was whether Gilchrist's innings was legal:
My feeling was that it was legal, as I didn't think you could distinguish between a squash ball - which Gilchrist admitted he used to improve his grip during his amazing innings in the World Cup final - and the inner gloves many batsmen wear, some of which have a certain amount of padding, the finger-stalls inside some gloves to protect finger-tips, or even the raw steaks people (usually wicketkeepers) were reputed to put inside their gloves to lessen the impact of the ball. But MCC are the final authority on matters to do with the Laws, so I asked their head of cricket, the former England opener John Stephenson, who confirmed: "The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc."
So it's all a fuss about nothing? maybe the ICC will come out an d clarify "There will be no foreign objects allowed in cricket gloves. As for a rematch - well Ponting didn't have to go back and replay the matches where he used his graphite bat before it was declared illegal did he?
Posted by MT on 2007-05-07 16:12:24
My feeling was that it was legal, as I didn't think you could distinguish between a squash ball - which Gilchrist admitted he used to improve his grip during his amazing innings in the World Cup final - and the inner gloves many batsmen wear, some of which have a certain amount of padding, the finger-stalls inside some gloves to protect finger-tips, or even the raw steaks people (usually wicketkeepers) were reputed to put inside their gloves to lessen the impact of the ball. But MCC are the final authority on matters to do with the Laws, so I asked their head of cricket, the former England opener John Stephenson, who confirmed: "The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc."
So it's all a fuss about nothing? maybe the ICC will come out an d clarify "There will be no foreign objects allowed in cricket gloves. As for a rematch - well Ponting didn't have to go back and replay the matches where he used his graphite bat before it was declared illegal did he?
Posted by MT on 2007-05-07 16:12:24
Dan , this shows that u r scared of murali, thats why u want him out, and that y u worked against him. Thats y ur racisit Darrel Hair worked for u. Darrel has got what he deserves. He did all for money by satifying racists. Murali is bowling within legal system. ICC has cleared him even though it difficult to clear minds of u guys. Gilly did an illegal thing, thats not within the legal system. If match is replayed,SL will easily win. In a fair match, they won easily in 1996.
This writer has already accepted as an aussie that this was illegal in his first post. In a comment here he admits it, and appologises from the thief, Gilly. So, what else is there to be discussed.
Posted by NZ Supporter on 2007-05-07 16:24:10
This writer has already accepted as an aussie that this was illegal in his first post. In a comment here he admits it, and appologises from the thief, Gilly. So, what else is there to be discussed.
Posted by NZ Supporter on 2007-05-07 16:24:10
people who are complaining about Gilly's squash ball are nothing but SORE LOSERS of the most desperate and pathetic kind.
Posted by Chris on 2007-05-07 16:26:21
Posted by Chris on 2007-05-07 16:26:21
"The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc."
This is all that needs to be said.
As for who are the world champions. Sri Lanka didn't even make it to the Champions Trophy Final. Sri Lanka have a long way to go before they are good enough to be considered #1.
As for being scared of Murali, thats pretty funny considering he couldn't take a single wicket in the final. Even our part time spinner Micheal Clarke managed a wicket (in his first over as well)
I am just thinking this will make the test series against Sri Lanka all that more interesting. I wonder what excuse the Sri Lankan fans will come up with next time? Too many Gatorades?
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-07 16:41:48
This is all that needs to be said.
As for who are the world champions. Sri Lanka didn't even make it to the Champions Trophy Final. Sri Lanka have a long way to go before they are good enough to be considered #1.
As for being scared of Murali, thats pretty funny considering he couldn't take a single wicket in the final. Even our part time spinner Micheal Clarke managed a wicket (in his first over as well)
I am just thinking this will make the test series against Sri Lanka all that more interesting. I wonder what excuse the Sri Lankan fans will come up with next time? Too many Gatorades?
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-07 16:41:48
I personally dont think it's necessary to have a replay.
but the crux of the matter is did Gilly having a squash ball in his glove go against the ICC rules.
If he has he should be punished.
i have always identified Gilly as a great sportsman. So on one hand his reputation as one is at stake while on the other hand if what he did is wrong Sri Lanka should be compensated by ICC taking action against him (not the team)and fast.
Lot of firing and counter firing has been going on in blogs all over the world cos nobody knows for sure of the legality of it.
So ICC, its up to you people to clear the air.
As for True Sportsmanship, thats when Mahela agreed to bat through the last few overs in shere darkness when there was a issue with the umpires, well if that's not true sportsmanship what is?
Posted by Chris B on 2007-05-07 17:45:57
but the crux of the matter is did Gilly having a squash ball in his glove go against the ICC rules.
If he has he should be punished.
i have always identified Gilly as a great sportsman. So on one hand his reputation as one is at stake while on the other hand if what he did is wrong Sri Lanka should be compensated by ICC taking action against him (not the team)and fast.
Lot of firing and counter firing has been going on in blogs all over the world cos nobody knows for sure of the legality of it.
So ICC, its up to you people to clear the air.
As for True Sportsmanship, thats when Mahela agreed to bat through the last few overs in shere darkness when there was a issue with the umpires, well if that's not true sportsmanship what is?
Posted by Chris B on 2007-05-07 17:45:57
For the record, I never said it was illegal. I said in this post I don't think its illegal. And my original post "How a squash ball won the World Cup" was a tongue in cheek title before I could have even imagined someone would really think that was the case.
This is all a storm in a teacup generated by bloggers. Can we all agree to play nice and not start throwing nasty insults around?
Posted by JC on 2007-05-07 18:31:40
This is all a storm in a teacup generated by bloggers. Can we all agree to play nice and not start throwing nasty insults around?
Posted by JC on 2007-05-07 18:31:40
As an Aussie, I think we need to admit that there is a serious concern here for cricket fans. Forget your boundaries such as Australian, Sri Lankan, Asian etc. As cricket fans in general, we have a concern here, so ICC should explain the situation and how we could reestablish the credibility and the validity of Australian title as world cup winner. Effectively, that is what is being questioned here.
I think following need to happen in the next couple of days.
1. ICC to explain the legal situation
2. ICC to update the regulations in a fair way. Probably they should prohibit these things used inside batsmans gloves.
3. Ponting and Gilly to appologise from the Australian public for disgracing our country and our cricket and also appologise for messing a title, which we really deserve to win. Even though validity of the match is questioned, no one can say that we are not the best.
4. Ponting and Gilly to appologise from SL team and all cricket fans for hitting at the true sportsmanship.
5. ICC to make an announcement about the FInal match (Joint winners? Replay? or ?)
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-07 18:56:27
I think following need to happen in the next couple of days.
1. ICC to explain the legal situation
2. ICC to update the regulations in a fair way. Probably they should prohibit these things used inside batsmans gloves.
3. Ponting and Gilly to appologise from the Australian public for disgracing our country and our cricket and also appologise for messing a title, which we really deserve to win. Even though validity of the match is questioned, no one can say that we are not the best.
4. Ponting and Gilly to appologise from SL team and all cricket fans for hitting at the true sportsmanship.
5. ICC to make an announcement about the FInal match (Joint winners? Replay? or ?)
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-07 18:56:27
David Hill.
In answer to your points:
1. But MCC are the final authority on matters to do with the Laws, so I asked their head of cricket, the former England opener John Stephenson, who confirmed: "The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc."
2. See answer to 1.
3. See answer to 1.
4. See answer to 1.
5. See answer to 1.
Also consider that the Sri Lankan team have made NO complaint. Fortunately they must have a better grasp of physics than their fans.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-07 19:17:15
In answer to your points:
1. But MCC are the final authority on matters to do with the Laws, so I asked their head of cricket, the former England opener John Stephenson, who confirmed: "The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc."
2. See answer to 1.
3. See answer to 1.
4. See answer to 1.
5. See answer to 1.
Also consider that the Sri Lankan team have made NO complaint. Fortunately they must have a better grasp of physics than their fans.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-07 19:17:15
Andrew,
John Stephenson has the right to say whatever he wants(maybe on behalf of MCC as a club) but the final decision pertaining to any rule in cricket has to be made & delivered by the ICC and not MCC
Posted by Chris B on 2007-05-07 19:50:32
John Stephenson has the right to say whatever he wants(maybe on behalf of MCC as a club) but the final decision pertaining to any rule in cricket has to be made & delivered by the ICC and not MCC
Posted by Chris B on 2007-05-07 19:50:32
Andrew, I think Chris B is correct. We need an official announcement. I also wonder why SL team hasnt officially lodged a complaint, may be the officails and the team think that there is no issue, but their fans think otherwise. But, even as aussies, we are also in doubt, and the web /papers are full of concerns/querries. So, an answer is required in my opinion no matter what. ICC should take care of cricket fans as well not just national cricket boards or teams.
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-07 20:21:23
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-07 20:21:23
I always used to consider the Lankan fans as very fair and having a lot of perspective- atleast compared to some other subcontinental fans. This is a sorry way to lose that impression
Posted by jethro on 2007-05-07 21:23:21
Posted by jethro on 2007-05-07 21:23:21
Considering ICC officials couldn't even get the rules right for the final of the World Cup, who really thinks they can make a ruling on something like a squash ball in a glove?
Posted by MT on 2007-05-07 21:40:31
Posted by MT on 2007-05-07 21:40:31
OK, first of all, if it's OK to wear glove "inners" when batting with all sorts of padding then what's the difference sticking half a squash ball in there?
Second: I say bring on a replay. Australia were 3-TIMES BETTER than any other team in the competition. How about all the Sri Lankan batsman put sqashballs in their gloves, and since their grips DONT NEED CORRECTION they'll probably amass a grand total of 5 runs. Gilly will hit one 6 off Murali's first ball and this ridiculous argument will be settled for good.
And finally, the squash ball had nothing to do with Gilly's innings anyway. It was the lucky rabbits foot he had shoved into his box that won us the game.
So in summary: sore losers need to get a grip. And I don't mean at the straws you are currently clutching...
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-07 21:57:11
Second: I say bring on a replay. Australia were 3-TIMES BETTER than any other team in the competition. How about all the Sri Lankan batsman put sqashballs in their gloves, and since their grips DONT NEED CORRECTION they'll probably amass a grand total of 5 runs. Gilly will hit one 6 off Murali's first ball and this ridiculous argument will be settled for good.
And finally, the squash ball had nothing to do with Gilly's innings anyway. It was the lucky rabbits foot he had shoved into his box that won us the game.
So in summary: sore losers need to get a grip. And I don't mean at the straws you are currently clutching...
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-07 21:57:11
Timbo, pls be more understanding. If this happened to us, how would you react? Be in the same shoes and think. Its natural that cricket fans feel cheated. I also think we are the best team, but now we have messed it up. Now we cant say that we are the winners bcos too many people question the spirit of things. We havent been honest in the way we won. Gilly didnt take permission. If not anything, its not true sportsmanship I think. Gilly doesnt need grip correction, I think the coach was wrong, bcos he has scored many 100s without squash balls.
SL team hasnt made a complaint yet, but now I see that they have said that even officails think that this was 'unethical'.
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/wc2007/content/current/story/293393.html
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-07 22:12:47
SL team hasnt made a complaint yet, but now I see that they have said that even officails think that this was 'unethical'.
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/wc2007/content/current/story/293393.html
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-07 22:12:47
Heh Timbo
Lucky rabbit's foot inside his box? Did he clear that with the ICC beforehand? If not, let's ban the cheatin' bastard, for life!! Next thing you know he'll be pulling out a rotting old red hankie from his pocket.
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-05-07 22:22:19
Lucky rabbit's foot inside his box? Did he clear that with the ICC beforehand? If not, let's ban the cheatin' bastard, for life!! Next thing you know he'll be pulling out a rotting old red hankie from his pocket.
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-05-07 22:22:19
I notice none of the Sri Lankan players have even mentioned this storm in a teacup.
I really respect the Sri Lankans for that, they realise they were outclassed and they know (as David Hill has just stated) that Adam Gilchrist can score a ton WITH OR WITHOUT a squash ball in his glove.
In fact, I reckon you could put a couple of live ferrets in there he'd still smack Malinga over the fence.
Sadly, the same respect can't be given to these whinging Sri Lankan fans and bloggers. They just seem like a bunch of pathetic sore losers.
And thats terribly sad. :(
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-07 23:26:17
I really respect the Sri Lankans for that, they realise they were outclassed and they know (as David Hill has just stated) that Adam Gilchrist can score a ton WITH OR WITHOUT a squash ball in his glove.
In fact, I reckon you could put a couple of live ferrets in there he'd still smack Malinga over the fence.
Sadly, the same respect can't be given to these whinging Sri Lankan fans and bloggers. They just seem like a bunch of pathetic sore losers.
And thats terribly sad. :(
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-07 23:26:17
The SriLankan team has finally spoken.
Mathivanan insisted several players had told him "they were a bit upset" over the use of the squash ball.
That was contradicted by Muttiah Muralitharan. "That is [Mathivanan's] personal opinion; the team doesn't think that," the spinner told the Herald.
"If anything, I would think having a squash ball in your glove would be uncomfortable. I don't know if I could even hold a bat with something like that in my glove. So if [Gilchrist wants to do it], it is OK with me."
Mathivanan also received little support from SLC chief executive Duleep Mendis. When asked if he supported his secretary, Mendis said: "You must call him about that."
Gilchrist's use of the squash ball, as recommended by former WA batsman Bob Meuleman, was used to lighten his grip and stop the bat rotating in his hands.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/gilchrist-ton-was-underarm/2007/05/07/1178390231999.html
(Can you tidy that up a bit JC) Thanks
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 12:04:01
Mathivanan insisted several players had told him "they were a bit upset" over the use of the squash ball.
That was contradicted by Muttiah Muralitharan. "That is [Mathivanan's] personal opinion; the team doesn't think that," the spinner told the Herald.
"If anything, I would think having a squash ball in your glove would be uncomfortable. I don't know if I could even hold a bat with something like that in my glove. So if [Gilchrist wants to do it], it is OK with me."
Mathivanan also received little support from SLC chief executive Duleep Mendis. When asked if he supported his secretary, Mendis said: "You must call him about that."
Gilchrist's use of the squash ball, as recommended by former WA batsman Bob Meuleman, was used to lighten his grip and stop the bat rotating in his hands.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/gilchrist-ton-was-underarm/2007/05/07/1178390231999.html
(Can you tidy that up a bit JC) Thanks
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 12:04:01
At last we have some sensible comment on this thread by David Hill. On behalf of Sri Lankan cricket fans (Most of them, not all of them) I can assure you that, very little number of people are talking about a replay. It's nonsense to talk about a replay of a world cup final. World Cup final was played, and it was won by Australia. No question about it. But, here the problem is Gilly's use of none cricketing equipment in a cricket match. And it's not directly covered by any law book, whether to say it's legal or illegal. The uproar by Sri Lankan fans, was to bring this issue to the notice of the officials. Not to claim back the world cup, or not to ask for a replay. I think Sri Lankan fans have won. The matter will be taken up at next ICC meeting, and they will decide what is right and what is wrong.
And for some one's comment on Murali being wicketless in the final, I like to remind him what happened to Warne and McGrath in 1996 final. You can't judge a bowlers quality by the performance in just a one match. Even if its a world cup final. Under your logic, sanath Jayasuriya and Aravinda De Silva was btter spin bowlers than Shane Warne. But as a Sri Lankan, I say Warne is a better bowler than Sana & Ara :-)
If Gilly is right, why do you shout so much? Just to keep us silent? Something "strange" has been done by Gilly, and it need to be clarified. Wait till you get the verdict.
Posted by Voice in Colombo on 2007-05-08 14:06:50
And for some one's comment on Murali being wicketless in the final, I like to remind him what happened to Warne and McGrath in 1996 final. You can't judge a bowlers quality by the performance in just a one match. Even if its a world cup final. Under your logic, sanath Jayasuriya and Aravinda De Silva was btter spin bowlers than Shane Warne. But as a Sri Lankan, I say Warne is a better bowler than Sana & Ara :-)
If Gilly is right, why do you shout so much? Just to keep us silent? Something "strange" has been done by Gilly, and it need to be clarified. Wait till you get the verdict.
Posted by Voice in Colombo on 2007-05-08 14:06:50
As I stated yday, and reconfirmed today by AK, for us Australians, important thing is not whether SL officials/players are making a complaint or not. Thats their business. SL Board will probaly take a couple of days to see whether there really is a case that they can stronly back. But for important thing for us is to get our name cleared. For that, fans minds should be cleared. Whether complaint is made or not, the majority of the fans including some Aussies think that this is unethical. May be we will be cleared by the laws, but unethicalness of the innings might remain forever. Thats where the real probelm is. We shoudnt wait till the SL speaks up, Aussie officals, pointing and Gilly has to speak up.
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-08 14:26:13
Posted by David Hill on 2007-05-08 14:26:13
What is the issue, all it is really is a grip adjustmnet. It adds no extra power. So why is it unethical? Every day players use slightly different equipment to others. For example every batsman uses a different type of bat. So Gilchrist uses a different type of grip. There is nothing unethical about it.
As for why we are argueing with you, is because you are accusing one of the most honest batsman in the world of cheating based on some riduclous scientific study. Now who is being unethical?
Of course if you still believe that the squash ball adds power. Boy do I have a deal for you.
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Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 16:04:25
As for why we are argueing with you, is because you are accusing one of the most honest batsman in the world of cheating based on some riduclous scientific study. Now who is being unethical?
Of course if you still believe that the squash ball adds power. Boy do I have a deal for you.
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Get your orders in.....
(if you tidy that link up for me JC, there will be a little percentage profit for you).....
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 16:04:25
David, please speak for youself. The majority of fans do not think any such thing, I certainly don't. There is nothing to be "cleared", even Murali has stated today that the Sri Lankan team DO NOT agree with your vocal minority blogging mates.
Gilly had nothing to hide, there's nothing to clear. The Sri Lankan team appear to be happy, as are the Aussies. The ECB (i.e. the people who define the rules) have unofficially stated that its no different to wearing padded "inners" or when wicketkeepers used to hide rump steaks in their gloves.
The only people who aren't happy is one SLC secretary and some very vocal Sri Lankan bloggers (and apparently you...the lone "Aussie").
And the poor SLC secretary wasn't backed up by the SL team, nor was he backed up by the SLC cheif executive Duleep Mendis in his "claims".
Give it up mate. Apart from some sour grapes, this is a non-event. ;)
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-08 16:11:13
Gilly had nothing to hide, there's nothing to clear. The Sri Lankan team appear to be happy, as are the Aussies. The ECB (i.e. the people who define the rules) have unofficially stated that its no different to wearing padded "inners" or when wicketkeepers used to hide rump steaks in their gloves.
The only people who aren't happy is one SLC secretary and some very vocal Sri Lankan bloggers (and apparently you...the lone "Aussie").
And the poor SLC secretary wasn't backed up by the SL team, nor was he backed up by the SLC cheif executive Duleep Mendis in his "claims".
Give it up mate. Apart from some sour grapes, this is a non-event. ;)
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-08 16:11:13
Lets sum up the different camps:
Gilchrist was cheating:
-One lone Sri Lankan Cricket Secretary
-Random Fans with a poor grasp of physics
Gilchrist wasn't cheating:
-The Sri Lankan Team (according to Murali)
-The MCC who define and made the laws of cricket
-Anyone with a grasp of basic physics.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 16:18:26
Gilchrist was cheating:
-One lone Sri Lankan Cricket Secretary
-Random Fans with a poor grasp of physics
Gilchrist wasn't cheating:
-The Sri Lankan Team (according to Murali)
-The MCC who define and made the laws of cricket
-Anyone with a grasp of basic physics.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 16:18:26
If Gilchrist was allowed a squash ball, fielders should be allowed buckets to catch the ball. Yes, it's totally legal to have buckets. Gilchrist had a problem in his grip, and used a sqaush ball to tighten the grip. Same way if a fielder is having a problem in his grip on ball, let him use a bucket.
Aussies you cheat. Admit it!
Posted by Captain Cook on 2007-05-08 18:26:02
Aussies you cheat. Admit it!
Posted by Captain Cook on 2007-05-08 18:26:02
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Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 18:56:46
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Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 18:56:46
Err... can we continue on how SL actually get to these finals - i.e. Murali's suspect action? There is no way in the wide world of sports that that action is legitimate and his ODI and Test stats prove it. Anyone who gets even close to SK Warne in terms of wickets or average is obviously cheating. Double jointed my...
C'mon, let's get JC's maiden ton-up in the comments department...
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-08 19:10:21
C'mon, let's get JC's maiden ton-up in the comments department...
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-08 19:10:21
Andrew, that ad is genius. Genius! I had several LOL moments reading it. I'm doing another post on the squash ball tomorrow as the subject just won't die down - do you mind if I include some excerpts from your ad and maybe a shrunk down version?
To everyone else, do yourself a favour and go read Andrew's ad for Gilly's squash ball.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-08 19:19:53
To everyone else, do yourself a favour and go read Andrew's ad for Gilly's squash ball.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-08 19:19:53
People like virtualgaz cant understand who the greatest bowler in cricker due to smaller brain. Stats show that Murali is the better bowler in the histroy of cricket. Warne is the second best obviously. Muralis action is cleared by ICC and someone before explained in this thread how and why Aussies made a fuss of his action. Thats bcos scaredness, hypocrasy and racism. Nothingelse.
Everyone knows tht Aussies are cheaters. First Underarm bowling. Then Ponting bat. Then Warne match fixing. Then Mark Waugh match fixing. Warnes drug use. Now Gilly underparm squash! So, all this proves that u r the biggest cheaters in cricket. U r not a good side bcos of talent, its bcos of u cheat and sledge and mentally hit others.
No one accepts now that aussies won WC. All know that its a result of another big aussie cheat as usual!
Posted by GH on 2007-05-08 20:56:31
Everyone knows tht Aussies are cheaters. First Underarm bowling. Then Ponting bat. Then Warne match fixing. Then Mark Waugh match fixing. Warnes drug use. Now Gilly underparm squash! So, all this proves that u r the biggest cheaters in cricket. U r not a good side bcos of talent, its bcos of u cheat and sledge and mentally hit others.
No one accepts now that aussies won WC. All know that its a result of another big aussie cheat as usual!
Posted by GH on 2007-05-08 20:56:31
Hey JC glad you like it, even my wife liked it, (which is pretty impressive considering she isn't a big fan of cricket). I think it could be improved a bit though. At worst I might send you an update.
Feel free to use it any way you like. If you want a high res version of it, I can email you one.
I thought it would be good to defuse this situation a bit. Plus if this ball is as good as everyone suggests, I should make a fortune. (Remember JC, a favourable review can earn you a few percentage).
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 21:22:00
Feel free to use it any way you like. If you want a high res version of it, I can email you one.
I thought it would be good to defuse this situation a bit. Plus if this ball is as good as everyone suggests, I should make a fortune. (Remember JC, a favourable review can earn you a few percentage).
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 21:22:00
"the majority of the fans including some Aussies think that this is unethical."
Where's your proof? Using weasel words in an argument doesn't magically make it any more valid.
Posted by Leeisl on 2007-05-08 21:26:18
Where's your proof? Using weasel words in an argument doesn't magically make it any more valid.
Posted by Leeisl on 2007-05-08 21:26:18
Andrew, I would suggest just fixing up some of the spelling mistakes. Other than that, it's perfect!
BTW, hi rez is not necessary - I'm just gonna put a shrunken version on this site, linking to the original.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-08 22:03:44
BTW, hi rez is not necessary - I'm just gonna put a shrunken version on this site, linking to the original.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-08 22:03:44
Hey JC, Yea I did the advert as a quick thing, while working on my company's marketing campaign. It provided some good relief from real work.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 22:12:30
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 22:12:30
I'm finding this storm in a teacup quite amusing.
Also it's quite interesting to imagine if this had happened: One of the other nations, say a minnow... or from the subcontinent had done a similar thing. Put a squash ball (or golf ball, M&Ms, red hanky, etc) in their glove and had a great knock.
It would be the fairytale of the decade! Australia being knocked out in the final because of this masterstroke of ingenuity. By using a squash ball to correct the batsman grip even though if any other batsman tried it they would surely fail!
But, of course, because Australia did it, it's a big (*cough*ish) scandal in the blogosphere. The fact that nobody even came close to beating the Aussies at any stage during the tournament is suddenly forgotten.
It's just funny to think about. :)
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-08 22:16:19
Also it's quite interesting to imagine if this had happened: One of the other nations, say a minnow... or from the subcontinent had done a similar thing. Put a squash ball (or golf ball, M&Ms, red hanky, etc) in their glove and had a great knock.
It would be the fairytale of the decade! Australia being knocked out in the final because of this masterstroke of ingenuity. By using a squash ball to correct the batsman grip even though if any other batsman tried it they would surely fail!
But, of course, because Australia did it, it's a big (*cough*ish) scandal in the blogosphere. The fact that nobody even came close to beating the Aussies at any stage during the tournament is suddenly forgotten.
It's just funny to think about. :)
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-08 22:16:19
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Its just comes down to bad loser mentality, which fortunately most professionals avoid.
I just don't know how people are over reacting. There is no performance gain that isn't already in gloves already. If a glove company had made Gilchrist a custom glove to suit him this would never have been an issue. Its only because of some crackpot promoting the idea that it can somehow increase power.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 23:12:25
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Its just comes down to bad loser mentality, which fortunately most professionals avoid.
I just don't know how people are over reacting. There is no performance gain that isn't already in gloves already. If a glove company had made Gilchrist a custom glove to suit him this would never have been an issue. Its only because of some crackpot promoting the idea that it can somehow increase power.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-08 23:12:25
Just because Sri Lankan (and other) cricket fans have questioned the legality of the squash ball, it does not mean that they are sore losers! Most of them are *not* asking for Australia to give up their 2007 World Cup Trophy!
Australia can keep the trophy! They played great cricket in the World Cup.
However, as a cricket fan, I personally would like to hear an official ruling from the ICC clarifying whether the introduction of such "aids" is legal. Will umpires allow Gilchrist and other batsmen to use non-cricket devices to help or correct their batting in future games?
I believe this is why fans are raising the issue. Merely for clarification. Not because they are sore losers!
Posted by Lewis on 2007-05-09 02:59:30
Australia can keep the trophy! They played great cricket in the World Cup.
However, as a cricket fan, I personally would like to hear an official ruling from the ICC clarifying whether the introduction of such "aids" is legal. Will umpires allow Gilchrist and other batsmen to use non-cricket devices to help or correct their batting in future games?
I believe this is why fans are raising the issue. Merely for clarification. Not because they are sore losers!
Posted by Lewis on 2007-05-09 02:59:30
Lewis (fans raising issue for clarification), if only that was true.
If you read the complaints most of the them are due to sour grapes and some are just racist against Australians.
Calling Australians cheats and racists will not change the result of the fairly won world cup and only make the bloggers seem petty and small minded. I wonder if they realise how foolish they seem to the people reading their rants.
Posted by Kevin Markey on 2007-05-09 04:39:16
If you read the complaints most of the them are due to sour grapes and some are just racist against Australians.
Calling Australians cheats and racists will not change the result of the fairly won world cup and only make the bloggers seem petty and small minded. I wonder if they realise how foolish they seem to the people reading their rants.
Posted by Kevin Markey on 2007-05-09 04:39:16
Storm in a teacup. Sri Lanka have gotten away with murder over the last 20 years. How can they bitch about the final. If Gilly hadn't fired, one of the others would have. I had a gut full of the SL's when they wanted to take their bat and ball and go home some years back when the crowd were sledging Murali over his sus bowling action. They are the biggest skirts in world cricket (apart from the Pakistanis). If they want to play with the big boys, they can't dictate terms. Let's face it, they (and the rest) just aren't good enough.
Posted by T11 on 2007-05-09 06:48:19
Posted by T11 on 2007-05-09 06:48:19
Seems like ICC has cleared it off! Thats good. As a neutral, I was looking at this amazing discussion and was very happy the way things were discussed apart from very few negative/racial comments from both parties. Guys, forget those stuff when you talk abt sports.Dicussion was healthy and is a good answer to the people who say that cricket is boring!
I think this will be a similar case like Murali. ICC has cleared Murali, most believe its ok and most belive he is a legend apart from few crazy fans mainly consisted of OZs! Now, ICC has cleared Gilly, most beleive its ok and most believe he is a legend apart from few crazy fans consisted mainly of SLs! So, the rivalry between the two best cricket teams continues,,, which is good for cricket! what we need is higher competition and a bit of amusement so that cricket can fight with Soccer, Rugby etc.
Well done both OZ & SL! You desreve to be there compared to rest of the shit!
Posted by worried English Supporter on 2007-05-09 11:00:42
I think this will be a similar case like Murali. ICC has cleared Murali, most believe its ok and most belive he is a legend apart from few crazy fans mainly consisted of OZs! Now, ICC has cleared Gilly, most beleive its ok and most believe he is a legend apart from few crazy fans consisted mainly of SLs! So, the rivalry between the two best cricket teams continues,,, which is good for cricket! what we need is higher competition and a bit of amusement so that cricket can fight with Soccer, Rugby etc.
Well done both OZ & SL! You desreve to be there compared to rest of the shit!
Posted by worried English Supporter on 2007-05-09 11:00:42
worried English Supporter,
//the rivalry between the two best cricket teams continues,,, which is good for cricket! \\
Kudos for saying that! Most of us forget it's just a game, and some times carry away with patriotic emotions (Both Oz's and lankans)How ever, I haven't still got the news that ICC cleared Gilly. May be I'm bit late getting news. If ICC cleared him, I guess that's it for every one. No arguement thereafter!
And, agree with Lewis as well. That's what I insisted on too. There was no questioning about Ausitralias victory in the final. It was just the legality of the squash ball which mattered us. Now if it is legal, no worries; let's carry on.
Posted by Voice in Colombo on 2007-05-09 14:07:46
//the rivalry between the two best cricket teams continues,,, which is good for cricket! \\
Kudos for saying that! Most of us forget it's just a game, and some times carry away with patriotic emotions (Both Oz's and lankans)How ever, I haven't still got the news that ICC cleared Gilly. May be I'm bit late getting news. If ICC cleared him, I guess that's it for every one. No arguement thereafter!
And, agree with Lewis as well. That's what I insisted on too. There was no questioning about Ausitralias victory in the final. It was just the legality of the squash ball which mattered us. Now if it is legal, no worries; let's carry on.
Posted by Voice in Colombo on 2007-05-09 14:07:46
VIC: the ICC don't make or enforce the rules of cricket. They are just a company at the end of the day. They organise international events and run the international cricket competition, thats all.
The rules are governed by the MCC. Their statement in full is here.
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-09 14:14:05
The rules are governed by the MCC. Their statement in full is here.
Posted by Timbo on 2007-05-09 14:14:05
JC, You've hit the half century of comments for this topic. Congratulations!!
Posted by Yahoo on 2007-05-09 18:33:45
Posted by Yahoo on 2007-05-09 18:33:45
JC, I hope you are raising your mouse in celebration... I have seen some pretty controversial stuff here at CRICKET-BLOG.COM which did't even get a bite (from the Poms) but oh, no, it was down to the Sri Lankan bloggers to get into a posting frenzy about a non-event about a 'storm in a tea cup as T-1-1 said.
Good work JC, marvellous effort out there with your dedication to the gae. Thoroughly deserved maiden half century if I say so myself.
Just a note about a few posts about SL being #2... WHAT???? They ain't number 2 in the world - not after being SPANKED in the final by so much. Second, third and fourth is DAYLIGHT and then we have SAfrica, then NZ and THEN Sri Lanka. Now I'm no mathemaical expert, but I call SL as 4th in world on form and results.
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-09 18:45:21
Good work JC, marvellous effort out there with your dedication to the gae. Thoroughly deserved maiden half century if I say so myself.
Just a note about a few posts about SL being #2... WHAT???? They ain't number 2 in the world - not after being SPANKED in the final by so much. Second, third and fourth is DAYLIGHT and then we have SAfrica, then NZ and THEN Sri Lanka. Now I'm no mathemaical expert, but I call SL as 4th in world on form and results.
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-09 18:45:21
virtualgaz , First SL and OZs came to the finals , so on that basis they are the best 2. SL is 2nd on that basis.
Secondly, SL beat NZ twice in WC. So they are definitly ahead of NZ. They lost to SA in a very close match. so they are in between 2nd and 3rd on that basis.
Thirdly, SL was far bettwr than SA overall. On that basis, they are better that SA.
What this boils down to is, they are the second best! If not for rain and stuff, they could have created a upset final as well. Lets give due credit. They are the 2nd best. As for individual players (not as a team), I think they are the best in the world.
Posted by AP on 2007-05-09 20:51:20
Secondly, SL beat NZ twice in WC. So they are definitly ahead of NZ. They lost to SA in a very close match. so they are in between 2nd and 3rd on that basis.
Thirdly, SL was far bettwr than SA overall. On that basis, they are better that SA.
What this boils down to is, they are the second best! If not for rain and stuff, they could have created a upset final as well. Lets give due credit. They are the 2nd best. As for individual players (not as a team), I think they are the best in the world.
Posted by AP on 2007-05-09 20:51:20
Nah, don't forget that SA have to throw many of their games to keep the bookies happy and the Kiwis recently gave Australia a serious touch up in ODIs. Nope, after the display in the final when the chips were down... definitely #4 in my books.
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-09 22:10:29
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-09 22:10:29
Easy solution
Just call them all Equal 4th
(New Zealand, Sri Lanka, South Africa)
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-09 22:46:30
Just call them all Equal 4th
(New Zealand, Sri Lanka, South Africa)
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-09 22:46:30
virtualgaz ,
On your book, since NZ beat OZs in a previous serious, does that mean NZ is bettter than OZs? Bcos, for you, the fact that OZs beat NZ in WC is not valid. So, if u beleive in a logic, u need to be consistant, so NZ is better than OZ! On the other hand, u dont accept WC results to determine the place of a team, so OZs are not 1st then, they are either 2nd or 3rd. Bcos even England beat them in the previous series!
What bullshit! be realistic! Accept facts as they are! Dont come to false conclusions due to prejudice. U dont want to accept SL as a good team due to reasons few people have explained in this blog before. I dont want to go to that discussion again, bcos cricket can do without those. Be more respectful to others. If OZs can correct their arrogance, the rest of the world will start to like u. Even when ur cricket team wins, rest of the world doesnt appreciate or be ahppy for them bcos of this arrogance. Be human, forget your past that happened 200 years ago and start to respect people including Englishmen.
Posted by Englishman on 2007-05-10 09:01:28
On your book, since NZ beat OZs in a previous serious, does that mean NZ is bettter than OZs? Bcos, for you, the fact that OZs beat NZ in WC is not valid. So, if u beleive in a logic, u need to be consistant, so NZ is better than OZ! On the other hand, u dont accept WC results to determine the place of a team, so OZs are not 1st then, they are either 2nd or 3rd. Bcos even England beat them in the previous series!
What bullshit! be realistic! Accept facts as they are! Dont come to false conclusions due to prejudice. U dont want to accept SL as a good team due to reasons few people have explained in this blog before. I dont want to go to that discussion again, bcos cricket can do without those. Be more respectful to others. If OZs can correct their arrogance, the rest of the world will start to like u. Even when ur cricket team wins, rest of the world doesnt appreciate or be ahppy for them bcos of this arrogance. Be human, forget your past that happened 200 years ago and start to respect people including Englishmen.
Posted by Englishman on 2007-05-10 09:01:28
Englishman, just in case you're new to cricket-blog, let me tell you that virtualgaz is a bit of a s**t stirrer (and an English ex-pat for the record). So his comments tend to be a little blunt and inflammatory - but I'm sure he means well, don't you Gaz?! :-)
For the record, I haven't sussed the ICC rankings recently so I'm not sure where Sri Lanka place. Considering long-term form, South Africa may rank higher than them. But as a snapshot in time and in the big tournament matches, I think Sri Lanka are a better team than NZ and SA right now. Whether SL can maintain consistency playing home and away, well, let's hope they can maintain it - especially when they tour Australia next summer.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-10 10:48:28
For the record, I haven't sussed the ICC rankings recently so I'm not sure where Sri Lanka place. Considering long-term form, South Africa may rank higher than them. But as a snapshot in time and in the big tournament matches, I think Sri Lanka are a better team than NZ and SA right now. Whether SL can maintain consistency playing home and away, well, let's hope they can maintain it - especially when they tour Australia next summer.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-10 10:48:28
//If OZs can correct their arrogance, the rest of the world will start to like u. \\
Well Englishman! Thanks for summerizing the underlying problem into a one simple sentence like that :-) Well said.
virtualgaz,
I say your book is wrong. May be you can check for printing errors. Next time, buy a better book
Congrats to JC on his maiden half century of comments :-)
Posted by Voice in Colombo on 2007-05-10 14:12:25
Well Englishman! Thanks for summerizing the underlying problem into a one simple sentence like that :-) Well said.
virtualgaz,
I say your book is wrong. May be you can check for printing errors. Next time, buy a better book
Congrats to JC on his maiden half century of comments :-)
Posted by Voice in Colombo on 2007-05-10 14:12:25
Re the 50 comments, this post isn't actually the most commented thread - there's that one about Channel 9's gadgets and gimmicks that is currently up to 73 comments. Of course many of those comments consist of "can you send me the Channel 9 theme music?" so it's not quite as entertaining.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-10 14:15:33
Posted by JC on 2007-05-10 14:15:33
Australian Cricket Team - Cheaters and Violators of the game
It is no surprise that in average Australian cricket players has got more penalties and match bans than any other international cricket team. Just another example to prove they are nothing but cheaters. Maybe they should be crowned as World Champions in Cheating
Read the following site contents from ICC to read about it
http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/rules/penalties.html
Posted by Loard Of Cricket on 2007-05-10 17:13:49
It is no surprise that in average Australian cricket players has got more penalties and match bans than any other international cricket team. Just another example to prove they are nothing but cheaters. Maybe they should be crowned as World Champions in Cheating
Read the following site contents from ICC to read about it
http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/rules/penalties.html
Posted by Loard Of Cricket on 2007-05-10 17:13:49
Well, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but I read this extract from Ian Chapel's autobiography, somewhere in the internet.
"...although we didn't deliberately set out to be a 'bunch of bastards' when we walked on to the field, I'd much prefer any team I captained to be described like that than as 'a nice bunch of blokes on the field.' As captain of Australia my philosophy was simple: between 11.00am and 6.00pm there was no time to be a nice guy. I believed that on the field players should concentrate on giving their best to the team, to themselves and to winning; in other words, playing hard and fairly within the rules. To my mind, doing all that left no time for being a nice guy."
I guess this tells us a lot about Australian approach to cricket. Aprroach by both the players and fans.
Posted by India will Bounce Back on 2007-05-10 19:02:19
"...although we didn't deliberately set out to be a 'bunch of bastards' when we walked on to the field, I'd much prefer any team I captained to be described like that than as 'a nice bunch of blokes on the field.' As captain of Australia my philosophy was simple: between 11.00am and 6.00pm there was no time to be a nice guy. I believed that on the field players should concentrate on giving their best to the team, to themselves and to winning; in other words, playing hard and fairly within the rules. To my mind, doing all that left no time for being a nice guy."
I guess this tells us a lot about Australian approach to cricket. Aprroach by both the players and fans.
Posted by India will Bounce Back on 2007-05-10 19:02:19
JC, *have* you got the Channel 9 cricket theme though?
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-10 21:16:53
Posted by virtualgaz on 2007-05-10 21:16:53
No, I don't - if I had, I'd just put it on the website and put everyone out of their misery.
To 'India Will Bounce Back' (I think I'll call you IWBB for short from now on), that excerpt from Ian Chappell wouldn't hurt any Australian's feelings. He's not talking about cheating but about mental toughness. I like how Australia play the game tough and hard.
That said, I don't like it when they cross the line which is very easy to do when you're toeing it most of the time. I'm the first to sink the boot in when I feel Australian players behave badly.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-10 22:03:47
To 'India Will Bounce Back' (I think I'll call you IWBB for short from now on), that excerpt from Ian Chappell wouldn't hurt any Australian's feelings. He's not talking about cheating but about mental toughness. I like how Australia play the game tough and hard.
That said, I don't like it when they cross the line which is very easy to do when you're toeing it most of the time. I'm the first to sink the boot in when I feel Australian players behave badly.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-10 22:03:47
Don't worry India you didn't hurt our feelings, the thought of sportsman wanting to win and giving their all for the team. But we know that is the problem with the India team, too busy playing for their little faction.
Congratz to India by the way, good to see they managed to beat Bangladesh this time.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-10 22:04:02
Congratz to India by the way, good to see they managed to beat Bangladesh this time.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-10 22:04:02
I think Indian cricket should read and closely consider what Ian Chappell has to say, if they want to be a world power of the game. At the moment they may generate the greatest revenue for the ICC, but their cricketing prowess comes only in the form of "purple patches", when their so-called superstars all perform at the same time. The expression "nice guys come last" springs to mind. A little bit of mongrel, like you find in their supporters, wouldn't go astray.
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-05-11 10:32:57
Posted by Dan Tas on 2007-05-11 10:32:57
Apropos the claim that Adam Gilchrist had a squash ball in his left glove during his innings at the finals of the cricket World Cup.
Let me offer a scientific perspective.
A squash ball is a rubber ball. Unlike a cricket (leather) ball, it compresses when pressure is applied on it. When the pressure is released, it takes its original shape. In short, it acts like a spring (e.g.: a motorcycle shock absorber).
So what happens when a batsman has a squash ball in the palm of his bottom hand?
When a batsman swings the bat until it hits the ball, there is pressure on his bottom hand. This pressure compresses the squash ball thus storing energy in the ball similar to spring. Just after the ball hits the bat (ball still touching the bat) this pressure starts to relax while the bat is moving forward.
At the same time the energy stored in the squash ball releases its energy to the bat in the form of kinetic energy. The result is that the bat moves faster than normal (without a ball in the glove).
As a result, the release-speed of the cricket ball becomes faster resulting in the ball travelling further before hitting the ground. Therefore it results in more sixes and fours being scored.
The downside is because the bat travels faster than normal the batsman might lose control of the bat. This happened once in the Adam Gilchrist?s innings when the bat slipped out of his hands and fell behind the wickets. If you have any doubts please try to do it yourself and see the result.
In brief Gilchrist?s use of the squash ball allowed him to hit the ball further in the field.
The above explanation clearly gives you an insight into the fact that the squash ball was used not purely as a protective gear but, as a performance enhancer to a player who was playing his last World Cup innings and did not care of the consequences, but was hell bent on rubbing some glory upon himself.
It was illegal !!!
Posted by T.M.Jones on 2007-05-15 16:30:25
Let me offer a scientific perspective.
A squash ball is a rubber ball. Unlike a cricket (leather) ball, it compresses when pressure is applied on it. When the pressure is released, it takes its original shape. In short, it acts like a spring (e.g.: a motorcycle shock absorber).
So what happens when a batsman has a squash ball in the palm of his bottom hand?
When a batsman swings the bat until it hits the ball, there is pressure on his bottom hand. This pressure compresses the squash ball thus storing energy in the ball similar to spring. Just after the ball hits the bat (ball still touching the bat) this pressure starts to relax while the bat is moving forward.
At the same time the energy stored in the squash ball releases its energy to the bat in the form of kinetic energy. The result is that the bat moves faster than normal (without a ball in the glove).
As a result, the release-speed of the cricket ball becomes faster resulting in the ball travelling further before hitting the ground. Therefore it results in more sixes and fours being scored.
The downside is because the bat travels faster than normal the batsman might lose control of the bat. This happened once in the Adam Gilchrist?s innings when the bat slipped out of his hands and fell behind the wickets. If you have any doubts please try to do it yourself and see the result.
In brief Gilchrist?s use of the squash ball allowed him to hit the ball further in the field.
The above explanation clearly gives you an insight into the fact that the squash ball was used not purely as a protective gear but, as a performance enhancer to a player who was playing his last World Cup innings and did not care of the consequences, but was hell bent on rubbing some glory upon himself.
It was illegal !!!
Posted by T.M.Jones on 2007-05-15 16:30:25
Umm JC are you able to install some sort of anti-spam filter. This piece of rubbish that has been sent around the internet is like really bad spam. However meany times it rebuked it keeps poping up.
to T.M. Jones, please please please please please use those eyes or help the search feature. It has been covered stop wasting everyone's time with that piece of rubbish.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-15 17:56:11
to T.M. Jones, please please please please please use those eyes or help the search feature. It has been covered stop wasting everyone's time with that piece of rubbish.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-15 17:56:11
As I explained before force and displacement are vector quantities. The squash ball was to help his grip so therefore was to the side of the handle i.e. perpendicular to the direction of the cricket ball onto the bat. So displacement and compression of the squash from the impact of the cricket ball on the bat would be negligible, and the above analysis is invalid.
Posted by MT on 2007-05-16 13:20:48
Posted by MT on 2007-05-16 13:20:48
I wouldn't call TM Jone's post spam - if it's repeatedly posted on cricket-blog.com, I'll delete any repetitions.
Posted by JC on 2007-05-16 14:30:29
Posted by JC on 2007-05-16 14:30:29
The stupidest thing about VIJITHA HERATH statement is that its quoted as if he is a professor of physics or biomechanics. When all he does is work in the department of Optical Communication and High-Frequency Engineering. There is nothing showing his qualifications.
Also anyone has even heard of "Impulse" in physics can spot so many flaws in that statement its not funny.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-16 18:50:46
Also anyone has even heard of "Impulse" in physics can spot so many flaws in that statement its not funny.
Posted by Andrew on 2007-05-16 18:50:46
Gilly is an honest player, remember when he walked when he was given not out. this was taken from http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/columns/content/current/story/293249.html
Is it legal for a batsman to have a foreign object like a squash ball inside his gloves, as Adam Gilchrist apparently did in the World Cup final? asked Vijitha Herath from Germany (and several more people from Sri Lanka!)
My feeling was that it was legal, as I didn't think you could distinguish between a squash ball - which Gilchrist admitted he used to improve his grip during his amazing innings in the World Cup final - and the inner gloves many batsmen wear, some of which have a certain amount of padding, the finger-stalls inside some gloves to protect finger-tips, or even the raw steaks people (usually wicketkeepers) were reputed to put inside their gloves to lessen the impact of the ball. But MCC are the final authority on matters to do with the Laws, so I asked their head of cricket, the former England opener John Stephenson, who confirmed: "The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc."
Posted by Deano on 2007-05-23 14:43:06
Is it legal for a batsman to have a foreign object like a squash ball inside his gloves, as Adam Gilchrist apparently did in the World Cup final? asked Vijitha Herath from Germany (and several more people from Sri Lanka!)
My feeling was that it was legal, as I didn't think you could distinguish between a squash ball - which Gilchrist admitted he used to improve his grip during his amazing innings in the World Cup final - and the inner gloves many batsmen wear, some of which have a certain amount of padding, the finger-stalls inside some gloves to protect finger-tips, or even the raw steaks people (usually wicketkeepers) were reputed to put inside their gloves to lessen the impact of the ball. But MCC are the final authority on matters to do with the Laws, so I asked their head of cricket, the former England opener John Stephenson, who confirmed: "The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc."
Posted by Deano on 2007-05-23 14:43:06
Gilly's a cheat
Posted by Man who Gilly cheated on 2008-03-05 13:59:16
Posted by Man who Gilly cheated on 2008-03-05 13:59:16
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