What a joke
Well the unthinkable has happened. In spite of prematch agreements to report racism and despite the presence of three witnesses who verify the claims that Harbajan Singh uttered the word "monkey" to Andrew Symonds, the racism charges against Harbhajan Singh have basically come to nought. Read about it here.
I will reserve my final comments until I have read all the relevant documents related to the case. But if only half of what today's newspaper report states is true it paints a very grim picture indeed. The bullying and belligerent approach to this affair adopted by the BCCI shows the highest contempt for cricket. CA appears to be just as bad caving in for fear of being bankrupted through the ordeal. Is there anyone in this affair that has any real principles at all?
The real loser in this affair is cricket. As Punter said the other day, India are the second best team in the world and they have really stuck it to Australia in this series. If everyone does not pull their head in and start putting the game first there will be no more series between India and Australia like the one we have just seen. Despite the problems it was highly engrossing cricket.
WARNING: This is a blog and people have every right to have a say. I will not, however, tolerate any RACISM or THREATS or anything that can be interpreted in these ways.
| Posted by TA on Wed 30 Jan |  213 comments |
Of course its interesting to note two very different comments from Singh.
The first is:
There are some reports that Harbhajan's remarks were racist in nature but the offspinner denied making such comments. "I haven't done anything - we were just talking. It wasn't even sledging - it was just normal talk out on the cricket field. I was concentrating on my batting," he told the Age. "I did not say anything racist. I do not know what is going on. I am here to play well for my country, to bowl well and to win this Test match.
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/story/329037.html
The key comment there is that Singh denies even sledging Symonds.
Then suddenly he pleads guilty to obscene language, when according to him he is sweet and innocent.
This is a joke. Also since when is the word of 3 Australian players against the word of One Indian player not good enough. But I guess in India its only justice if they get their way.
Rk9 try openning your eyes. Being Indian does not make you immune to being racist or making racist comments. The fact that Indian Spectators were ARRESTED in INDIA for making RACIST remarks kind of definites your arguement.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 10:59:44
The first is:
There are some reports that Harbhajan's remarks were racist in nature but the offspinner denied making such comments. "I haven't done anything - we were just talking. It wasn't even sledging - it was just normal talk out on the cricket field. I was concentrating on my batting," he told the Age. "I did not say anything racist. I do not know what is going on. I am here to play well for my country, to bowl well and to win this Test match.
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/story/329037.html
The key comment there is that Singh denies even sledging Symonds.
Then suddenly he pleads guilty to obscene language, when according to him he is sweet and innocent.
This is a joke. Also since when is the word of 3 Australian players against the word of One Indian player not good enough. But I guess in India its only justice if they get their way.
Rk9 try openning your eyes. Being Indian does not make you immune to being racist or making racist comments. The fact that Indian Spectators were ARRESTED in INDIA for making RACIST remarks kind of definites your arguement.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 10:59:44
There's no crying over spilt milk. Australia won. What's disappointing is that despite having Matt Hayden state clearly "..You've got a witness now.." on audio recording, yet again we're subject to some playground wrist-smacking. The result is a crock, manufactured to placate the wealthiest and most influential cricketing board going around. What you can't escape via appeals and threats to abandon tours and the like is once you've been labelled racist, it sticks, irrespective of what one NZ high court judge decides (just ask Lehmann). Reducing the charge to "offensive language" is a token gesture and is representative of how weak cricketing authorities (read Cricket Australia) are becoming.
Imagine if you made a complaint at work that you'd been abused/vilified, and your employers tried to downplay the incident.
Sod off and have your attention-deficient 3-hour slogathon. I've had enough. The footy's nearly here anyway.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 11:16:53
Imagine if you made a complaint at work that you'd been abused/vilified, and your employers tried to downplay the incident.
Sod off and have your attention-deficient 3-hour slogathon. I've had enough. The footy's nearly here anyway.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 11:16:53
rk9 I don't think I've seen an intelligent, unbiased post from you yet. The term 'monkey' when directed at a person of Symond's descent is racist, simple as that. After the Mumbai fiasco the lines were drawn & Singh knew better than to use the term.
The only reason he got off was a lack of definitive evidence - ie. the stump mic's picking up the actual word. I believe he actually said it - not from any blind Australian patriotism or any sympathy to Symond's (I actually think he's quite arrogant) but because I've seen the kind of temper tantrums & lack of intelligence that Singh displays. So without the rose-tinted Indian glasses on it's quite easy to believe he would've said it after little provacation.
Denying India's racist (caste system etc.) past does not make it go away, the same way the adoration heaped on your players doesn't make them above human behaviour/reactions - take off the goggles & have an un-biased view.
It would be the same if I denied our country's past - all coutries have featured racism in their past & present whether you'd like to admit it or not.
You may fall back on the word 'monkey' itself not being racist, but think of the context in which it was used & who it was directed at, or have a look at the Mumbai footage - paints your countrymen in a great light I must say.
Posted by Mike_Hunt on 2008-01-30 11:41:21
The only reason he got off was a lack of definitive evidence - ie. the stump mic's picking up the actual word. I believe he actually said it - not from any blind Australian patriotism or any sympathy to Symond's (I actually think he's quite arrogant) but because I've seen the kind of temper tantrums & lack of intelligence that Singh displays. So without the rose-tinted Indian glasses on it's quite easy to believe he would've said it after little provacation.
Denying India's racist (caste system etc.) past does not make it go away, the same way the adoration heaped on your players doesn't make them above human behaviour/reactions - take off the goggles & have an un-biased view.
It would be the same if I denied our country's past - all coutries have featured racism in their past & present whether you'd like to admit it or not.
You may fall back on the word 'monkey' itself not being racist, but think of the context in which it was used & who it was directed at, or have a look at the Mumbai footage - paints your countrymen in a great light I must say.
Posted by Mike_Hunt on 2008-01-30 11:41:21
Now you've yanked rk9's post half of mine doesn't make sense!
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 11:42:34
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 11:42:34
Sorry jaradevans, sorry Mike_Hunt. The line of when to pull someone's post is always murky but I personally think the line was crossed here. Maybe other bloggers don't mind but I think gross generalizations about any culture in relation to racism are pretty offensive, based on a national sense of superiority that we as a race are somehow better than you. Add to that intimidating-sounding comments and I think its better to pull the plug.
Posted by TA on 2008-01-30 11:49:43
Posted by TA on 2008-01-30 11:49:43
HELLO Mr.TA, Andrew, jaradevans and the aussies who say bhajji is racist...
Firstly, my reply here was deleted by the author of the blog. There was no bad language in that reply. This shows the aussies cannot take the facts.
Secondly, there might be 100people against one claiming that something is right or wrong...there are 2things here...one you need to see who is RIGHT and who is WRONG. two, you should really know the language to know what the other person talked. You Haydos doen't know what bhaji told. "Monkey" and "Maa ki" are similar but there is a huge difference.
Thirdly, the spectators in India are not arrested for racist remarks. In India the word "Monkey" is used if someone is doing some kind of mischief or behaving strangely. Also it is ok to use...it is a general word. A word like "Maa ki" is not like "Bastard" but is similar and a bad foul language...which means "Mother's..."!
So you guyz go and figure out if you need some culture education or brainscan or something else...am sorry to say brainscan though!
One thing don't cry and play foul when you get tough opposition...stand up and play!!!
Posted by rk9 on 2008-01-30 11:51:56
Firstly, my reply here was deleted by the author of the blog. There was no bad language in that reply. This shows the aussies cannot take the facts.
Secondly, there might be 100people against one claiming that something is right or wrong...there are 2things here...one you need to see who is RIGHT and who is WRONG. two, you should really know the language to know what the other person talked. You Haydos doen't know what bhaji told. "Monkey" and "Maa ki" are similar but there is a huge difference.
Thirdly, the spectators in India are not arrested for racist remarks. In India the word "Monkey" is used if someone is doing some kind of mischief or behaving strangely. Also it is ok to use...it is a general word. A word like "Maa ki" is not like "Bastard" but is similar and a bad foul language...which means "Mother's..."!
So you guyz go and figure out if you need some culture education or brainscan or something else...am sorry to say brainscan though!
One thing don't cry and play foul when you get tough opposition...stand up and play!!!
Posted by rk9 on 2008-01-30 11:51:56
TA, fair enough mate, you're the boss here. I'm off to see if UQ does courses in cultural education, right after my hospital appointment.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:07:59
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:07:59
This reminds us of previous mcgrath-sarwan incident. McGrath cried foul when Sarwan replied back. On finding out why Sarwan did that, we came to know pigeon is not a saint. Why is no one examining what Symo said to instigate Harbhajan and if Symo's remarks were of racist type?
Posted by australia_sucks on 2008-01-30 12:10:22
Posted by australia_sucks on 2008-01-30 12:10:22
Without any hard evidence - other than hearsay, and subjective testimony - there was never going to be a different outcome. Australia have been naive on two counts here: firstly, when reporting the 'incident', and claiming they were surprised by the subsequent controversy, secondly, that the appeal was upheld, and now they are outraged apparently.
Anyway - it was the decision and pressure of CA...despite financial repercussions they could have still fought for the desired result...lets not hammer the ICC and BCCI here...
I'm over it to be honest...just looking forward to the T20 and 1day'ers now.
Posted by mailman on 2008-01-30 12:13:48
Anyway - it was the decision and pressure of CA...despite financial repercussions they could have still fought for the desired result...lets not hammer the ICC and BCCI here...
I'm over it to be honest...just looking forward to the T20 and 1day'ers now.
Posted by mailman on 2008-01-30 12:13:48
Because provocation isn't what's being investigated, and there isn't a charge against provocation. There is against racist comments. Harbhajan's behaviour has precedents, so why would you investigate the protagonist? The charge was made against the antagonist, who purpotrated the event that directly resulted in the charge.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:15:57
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:15:57
They're outraged, mailman, because their own bosses (i.e. CA) asked them to downgrade the charge to offensive language, because they thought that was the best chance of getting a "conviction". So much for sticking by the standards you preach.
On a cricketing note, would like to see David Hussey get his chance.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:22:06
On a cricketing note, would like to see David Hussey get his chance.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:22:06
Now that we have seen the real India in action blackmailing to get a result in this case, how long before this behaviour spreads to the results on the field.
Never again will India crash out of a World Cup in stage 1.
This is the greatest exhibition of power corrupting the game we love.
Cricket is dead, all that remains is a money making business of the BCCI.
Brave new India congratulations, you just killed cricket.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 12:38:46
Never again will India crash out of a World Cup in stage 1.
This is the greatest exhibition of power corrupting the game we love.
Cricket is dead, all that remains is a money making business of the BCCI.
Brave new India congratulations, you just killed cricket.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 12:38:46
Rk9 you should really do a little research before you start saying things that make you look like an idiot..... or is it too late for that?
The Indian team DENIED (see below) that Singh said anything at all, that might have been misheard.
Of course Singh also denied ever saying anything obscene, but then pleaded guilty to obscene language. Truth seems to be hard to find in India.
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Meanwhile, the Indians have laughed off suggestions that Andrew Symonds misheard Harbhajan Singh during their clash, which resulted in racism charges being successfully brought against the spinner.
Websites and gossips have claimed Singh said "maa ki", an obscenity in the Hindu language, and that the Australian all-rounder believed he had been called a "monkey", which led to an official complaint.
But the Indians will claim no such thing at the appeal, which is yet to be scheduled, and will maintain that nothing of the sort was said by Harbhajan.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/all-deals-are-off-declare-indians/2008/01/11/1199988590669.html?page=2
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Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 12:46:56
The Indian team DENIED (see below) that Singh said anything at all, that might have been misheard.
Of course Singh also denied ever saying anything obscene, but then pleaded guilty to obscene language. Truth seems to be hard to find in India.
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Meanwhile, the Indians have laughed off suggestions that Andrew Symonds misheard Harbhajan Singh during their clash, which resulted in racism charges being successfully brought against the spinner.
Websites and gossips have claimed Singh said "maa ki", an obscenity in the Hindu language, and that the Australian all-rounder believed he had been called a "monkey", which led to an official complaint.
But the Indians will claim no such thing at the appeal, which is yet to be scheduled, and will maintain that nothing of the sort was said by Harbhajan.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/all-deals-are-off-declare-indians/2008/01/11/1199988590669.html?page=2
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Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 12:46:56
Much smaller sports in the US have gone that way long ago. It was only a matter of time until cricket became Americanised with the cash. What we'll see, though, because of the revenue-generating ability of televising cricket, will be more injured players because of the volume of games, combined with the pressure to stay in the side (=central contracts, sponsorship, etc). All that's left is to completely sell out and have franchised teams sold to the highest bidder. Oh, hang on...
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:50:31
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 12:50:31
Disgusted at the tactics used by Indians. Unfortunately, most Indians don't feel well represented by the primitive actions taken by the BCCI. I think its pathetic :(
Apparently all this is Sachin Tendulkars idea. But fact remains he wasn't in the vicinity of the conversation and shouldn't have too much say. Though, what does cause confusion is how Proctor can take decision without taking into account stump mic transcripts. I don't think the protocol is proper. Oh well shit like this happens every day in India.
IMHO Harbhajan is not worth this hassle
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 12:54:33
Apparently all this is Sachin Tendulkars idea. But fact remains he wasn't in the vicinity of the conversation and shouldn't have too much say. Though, what does cause confusion is how Proctor can take decision without taking into account stump mic transcripts. I don't think the protocol is proper. Oh well shit like this happens every day in India.
IMHO Harbhajan is not worth this hassle
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 12:54:33
Also Rk9 in response to your comment
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"Thirdly, the spectators in India are not arrested for racist remarks. In India the word "Monkey" is used if someone is doing some kind of mischief or behaving strangely. Also it is ok to use...it is a general word. A word like "Maa ki" is not like "Bastard" but is similar and a bad foul language...which means "Mother's..."!
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Indian cricket fans arrested for racial abuse
Randeep Ramesh in New Delhi
Friday October 19, 2007
The Guardian
Four Indian cricket fans will face charges of racially abusing Australian batsman Andrew Symonds with monkey gestures, police in Mumbai said yesterday.
The four were ejected from a one-day international match, which India narrowly won on Wednesday, after officials showed police pictures of the three men and a woman making the racist gestures at Symonds, who is the only black player in the Australian team.
The fans were charged with misbehaviour and harassment and freed on bail to appear in court later. Australian newspapers carried photographs of the Mumbai crowd, clearly showing spectators making offensive gestures.
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But of course Indians aren't racist......
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 12:56:46
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"Thirdly, the spectators in India are not arrested for racist remarks. In India the word "Monkey" is used if someone is doing some kind of mischief or behaving strangely. Also it is ok to use...it is a general word. A word like "Maa ki" is not like "Bastard" but is similar and a bad foul language...which means "Mother's..."!
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Indian cricket fans arrested for racial abuse
Randeep Ramesh in New Delhi
Friday October 19, 2007
The Guardian
Four Indian cricket fans will face charges of racially abusing Australian batsman Andrew Symonds with monkey gestures, police in Mumbai said yesterday.
The four were ejected from a one-day international match, which India narrowly won on Wednesday, after officials showed police pictures of the three men and a woman making the racist gestures at Symonds, who is the only black player in the Australian team.
The fans were charged with misbehaviour and harassment and freed on bail to appear in court later. Australian newspapers carried photographs of the Mumbai crowd, clearly showing spectators making offensive gestures.
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But of course Indians aren't racist......
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 12:56:46
@ Hanuman,
I havent heard what Symo said, and Harbhajan stated something "He started it"...What did he start, and how did he say it....
To put the blame solely on one party, that too when evidence is very limited, is pretty..well unrealistic in the modern world....Harbhajan is a wanker in all accounts but...heck you're making it sound like all of india should apologize and give up cricket.
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 13:01:49
I havent heard what Symo said, and Harbhajan stated something "He started it"...What did he start, and how did he say it....
To put the blame solely on one party, that too when evidence is very limited, is pretty..well unrealistic in the modern world....Harbhajan is a wanker in all accounts but...heck you're making it sound like all of india should apologize and give up cricket.
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 13:01:49
I suppose the question begs to be asked. How can an organisation, run by a bunch of lawyers, expect an ex-player with no legal training to officiate in a proceeding, which is ultimately decided upon by another bunch of lawyers? Gotta feel sorry for Proctor, he was only acting within the confines of what the ICC laid down in the first place. And why Sachin T was anywhere near the proceedings is a mystery to me - he didn't hear anything. I might as well nominate myself as a witness to the looting in Rockhampton because I live in Queensland.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 13:03:50
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 13:03:50
Spirit of cricket? pardon me while I vomit.
I think its time for another death notice and to burn some more bails.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 13:10:04
I think its time for another death notice and to burn some more bails.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 13:10:04
rk9 you are a either in denial or in need of education: probably both.
The reason 'monkey' is racist--in this context-- is that it implies that Symmonds, a person with some African origin, is less than human. It has been used as racist by LA cops and by European crowds.
My Indian friends tell me that the darker is your skin in India, the less attractive you are considered to be. That's pretty racist in my book, and might go a long way to explaining Singh's behaviour.
Posted by spindoctor on 2008-01-30 13:13:40
The reason 'monkey' is racist--in this context-- is that it implies that Symmonds, a person with some African origin, is less than human. It has been used as racist by LA cops and by European crowds.
My Indian friends tell me that the darker is your skin in India, the less attractive you are considered to be. That's pretty racist in my book, and might go a long way to explaining Singh's behaviour.
Posted by spindoctor on 2008-01-30 13:13:40
@Indian
Indian cricket should apologise.
1. They held Cricket Australia to gunpoint with the loss of revenue from the Tour collasping. Cricket Australia does not have the same resources as Indian Cricket and would not have been able to absorb the losses. How can you have a fair trial with that sort of grandstanding in the background.
Also does it matter what Symonds did. Symonds has already admitted to provocation (at both cases) however that doesn't justify racist remarks.
Also its interesting when you look at the transcript of the Video.
------------------ Transcript from the Video---
Symonds walks up to Harbhajan at the end of an over.
Symonds: "Go and yell at your teammates .... You called me monkey again."
Matthew Hayden: "Twice. You've got a witness now champ."
Hayden approaches Harbhajan.
Hayden: "That's the last time."
Harbhajan: "No listen he started it."
Hayden: "Doesn't matter mate, it's racial vilification mate. It's a shit word and you know it."
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Notice how Harbhajen never denies that he called Symonds a Monkey. Instead he tries to justify the use of the word.
If he had any character he would apologies and everyone could move on. Instead all of Indian will be tarred with his brush, by supporting him.
Also it means that any cricketer could be racist to another and as long as its not caught on Video it doesn't matter. What this shows is that witnesses don't count any more, which means any cricketer accused of mouthing off (not caught on camera/stump mike) by this precedent can not be convicted.... unless of course the victim is Indian....
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 13:18:29
Indian cricket should apologise.
1. They held Cricket Australia to gunpoint with the loss of revenue from the Tour collasping. Cricket Australia does not have the same resources as Indian Cricket and would not have been able to absorb the losses. How can you have a fair trial with that sort of grandstanding in the background.
Also does it matter what Symonds did. Symonds has already admitted to provocation (at both cases) however that doesn't justify racist remarks.
Also its interesting when you look at the transcript of the Video.
------------------ Transcript from the Video---
Symonds walks up to Harbhajan at the end of an over.
Symonds: "Go and yell at your teammates .... You called me monkey again."
Matthew Hayden: "Twice. You've got a witness now champ."
Hayden approaches Harbhajan.
Hayden: "That's the last time."
Harbhajan: "No listen he started it."
Hayden: "Doesn't matter mate, it's racial vilification mate. It's a shit word and you know it."
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Notice how Harbhajen never denies that he called Symonds a Monkey. Instead he tries to justify the use of the word.
If he had any character he would apologies and everyone could move on. Instead all of Indian will be tarred with his brush, by supporting him.
Also it means that any cricketer could be racist to another and as long as its not caught on Video it doesn't matter. What this shows is that witnesses don't count any more, which means any cricketer accused of mouthing off (not caught on camera/stump mike) by this precedent can not be convicted.... unless of course the victim is Indian....
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 13:18:29
Andrew,
Good points. I dont have a case against it. I feel witnesses should be held to their word...
yeah, but if you call in a justice from New Zealand, i dont reckon it would be sufficient... Unfortunately a very nasty precedent is getting set.
As I said before, H. Singh desvers a ban, and prevent a good series from getting spoiled. Its pathetic and unsportsmanlike to see Kumble mum about all this.
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 13:37:58
Good points. I dont have a case against it. I feel witnesses should be held to their word...
yeah, but if you call in a justice from New Zealand, i dont reckon it would be sufficient... Unfortunately a very nasty precedent is getting set.
As I said before, H. Singh desvers a ban, and prevent a good series from getting spoiled. Its pathetic and unsportsmanlike to see Kumble mum about all this.
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 13:37:58
Regarding,
The money and CA being held on a ransom. I think ICCs clauses are clear in terms of compensation for failing to show up. So I dont know if CA would've necessarily peed over bills. Ideally, H. Singh shouldve been guilty, Indian wouldve gone home and CA would've gotten their due
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 13:40:46
The money and CA being held on a ransom. I think ICCs clauses are clear in terms of compensation for failing to show up. So I dont know if CA would've necessarily peed over bills. Ideally, H. Singh shouldve been guilty, Indian wouldve gone home and CA would've gotten their due
Posted by Indian on 2008-01-30 13:40:46
Why is it so disturbing to people that India is controlling cricket? England and Australia did it in the past. Agreed BCCI does that with no grace, and mouths off nonsense to the press. But they will learn with experience and become more and more nuanced.
This domination of cricket is here to stay in any case. I only hope others get used to it. Crying foul makes you look stupid. That's the way the whole world works.
Posted by Subhash on 2008-01-30 13:46:37
This domination of cricket is here to stay in any case. I only hope others get used to it. Crying foul makes you look stupid. That's the way the whole world works.
Posted by Subhash on 2008-01-30 13:46:37
There's a difference between controlling cricket and holding other teams to ransom because you don't like a decision. I can't ever remember England or Australia threaten to pull out of a tour because they didn't like a decision. On the occasions they did, it was because the locals were blowing 5 shades of muck out of each other.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 14:27:13
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 14:27:13
CA advised Symonds & Co to refrain based on the legal advice of CA lawyers, who had to explain that lack of evidence is important in judicial hearings.
Not bcoz Aussies suddenly developed a sense of grace following Indian's graceful withdrawl of charges against Brad Hogg, or BCCI's economic muscle.
It is weird that Aussies who refer to opponent players private parts, their families, words like "bastards", are renowned for being champion sledgers & unsportsman cricketers, are now crying foul.
And talk of India ruling onfield cricket rules, basic review of past games reveals that Asian players are penailzed by ICC more often while Aussie & England players are let go.
How about the bumped catch of Ponting or Clarke vs that of Rashid Latif?
How many times Indian cricketers were penalized for showing dissent to Umpire's decisions, while Symonds or Ponting can glare & act mighty pissed for even correct decisions that do not go their way.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 14:36:03
Not bcoz Aussies suddenly developed a sense of grace following Indian's graceful withdrawl of charges against Brad Hogg, or BCCI's economic muscle.
It is weird that Aussies who refer to opponent players private parts, their families, words like "bastards", are renowned for being champion sledgers & unsportsman cricketers, are now crying foul.
And talk of India ruling onfield cricket rules, basic review of past games reveals that Asian players are penailzed by ICC more often while Aussie & England players are let go.
How about the bumped catch of Ponting or Clarke vs that of Rashid Latif?
How many times Indian cricketers were penalized for showing dissent to Umpire's decisions, while Symonds or Ponting can glare & act mighty pissed for even correct decisions that do not go their way.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 14:36:03
What, the tit-for-tat charge against Hogg because of the racial accusation? And Australia are second on the list of players MOST fined/suspended/warned for their behaviour. No one was saying they're angels. Two wrongs, and all that...
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 14:42:19
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 14:42:19
jaredevans - my point exactly! did the AUS team really expect anything different?...naive.
The Sri Lankans are doing well at the mo'. Could well be a good series, instead of the one-sided affairs are, for the most part, used to...
Posted by mailman on 2008-01-30 14:50:20
The Sri Lankans are doing well at the mo'. Could well be a good series, instead of the one-sided affairs are, for the most part, used to...
Posted by mailman on 2008-01-30 14:50:20
They'll be a force in the ODI series I reckon. Think they've the most balanced side. Think Tait would have been interesting in the series, as will Malinga be. Unfortunately it seems injury and no wickets have put pay to that contest.
maildude they should all shut it and get on with it now. I agree with you though, if you open up a can you should expect it back (without the racism of course..)
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 14:55:34
maildude they should all shut it and get on with it now. I agree with you though, if you open up a can you should expect it back (without the racism of course..)
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 14:55:34
I agree BCCI is stupid. That doesn't make Cricket Australia or the Australian team Angels.
Posted by Subhash on 2008-01-30 15:10:12
Posted by Subhash on 2008-01-30 15:10:12
Till recently India and other Asian bloc countries were treated with contempt by the English and Australian establishments. Now that Indians have some financial clout so what! Accept the fact and move on.
An Australian was caught on the fourth day of the test match running on to the pitch with a monkey mask on, while Symonds was batting. Channel 9 was quick to move the camera away. So much for hypocrisy. First put your house in order before accusing anybody else.
Posted by Varghese on 2008-01-30 15:11:28
An Australian was caught on the fourth day of the test match running on to the pitch with a monkey mask on, while Symonds was batting. Channel 9 was quick to move the camera away. So much for hypocrisy. First put your house in order before accusing anybody else.
Posted by Varghese on 2008-01-30 15:11:28
Hey Guys,
So, to be honest,in my understanding, Bhajji did call Symonds "Monkey" and he should have been punished for that and at the same time BCCI shouldn't have threatened to pull out of the ongoing series.Well, what about Australian team? What about Brad Hogg? What about numerous, countless occasions on which aussies have got away with similar offences? I truly believe that justice was sacrificed in Bhajji's case but so has been the rule of the game as far as australian cricket team is concerned.Only difference is they are at the recieving end this time.And Ponting's integrity:- telling the umpire that the catch was taken even though the ball hit the ground???? Why trust him?
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 15:14:23
So, to be honest,in my understanding, Bhajji did call Symonds "Monkey" and he should have been punished for that and at the same time BCCI shouldn't have threatened to pull out of the ongoing series.Well, what about Australian team? What about Brad Hogg? What about numerous, countless occasions on which aussies have got away with similar offences? I truly believe that justice was sacrificed in Bhajji's case but so has been the rule of the game as far as australian cricket team is concerned.Only difference is they are at the recieving end this time.And Ponting's integrity:- telling the umpire that the catch was taken even though the ball hit the ground???? Why trust him?
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 15:14:23
After the test match, I feel some rules have to be incorporated by ICC to give the other teams a perfect clarification
(1) Ricky Ponting – (THE TRULY GENUINE CRICKETER OF THE CRICKET ERA AND WHOSE INTEGRITY SHOULD NOT BE DOUBTED) should be considered as the FOURTH UMPIRE. As per the new rules, FOURTH UMPIRE decision is final and will over ride any decisions taken by any other umpires. ON-FIELD umpires can seek the assistance of RICKY PONTING even if he is not on the field. This rule is to be made, so that every team should understand the importance of the FOURTH UMPIRE.
(2) While AUSTRALIAN TEAM is bowling, If the ball flies anywhere close to the AUSTRALIAN FIELDER(WITHIN 5 metre distance), the batsman is to be considered OUT irrelevant of whether the catch was taken cleanly or grassed. Any decision for further clarification should be seeked from the FOURTH UMPIRE. This is made to ensure that the cricket is played with SPORTIVE SPIRIT by all the teams.
(3) While BATTING, AUSTRALIAN players will wait for the ON-FIELD UMPIRE decisions only (even if the catch goes to the FIFTH SLIP as the ball might not have touched the bat). Each AUSTRALIAN batsman has to be out FOUR TIMES (minimum) before he can return to the pavilion. In case of THE CRICKETER WITH INTEGRITY, this can be higher.
(4) UMPIRES should consider a huge bonus if an AUSTRALIAN player scores a century. Any wrong decisions can be ignored as they will be paid huge bonus and will receive the backing of the AUSTRALIAN team and board.
(5) All AUSTRALIAN players are eligible to keep commenting about all players on the field and the OPPONENT TEAM should never comment as they will be spoiling the spirit of the AUSTRALIAN team. Any comments made in any other language are to be considered as RACISM only.
(6) MATCH REFREE decisions will be taken purely on the AUSTRALIAN TEAM advices only. Player views from the other teams decisions will not be considered for hearing. MATCH REFREES are to be given huge bonus if this rule is implemented.
(7) NO VISITING TEAM should plan to win in AUSTRALIA. This is to ensure that the sportive spirit of CRICKET is maintained.
(8) THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE: If any bowler gets RICKY PONTING - “THE UNDISPUTED CRICKETER WITH INTEGTIRY IN THE GAME OF CRICKET” more than twice in a series, he will be banned for the REST OF THE SERIES. This is to ensure that the best batsman/Captain will be played to break records and create history in the game of CRICKET.
These rules will clarify better to the all the teams VISITING AUSTRALIA.
Posted by Lord Hanuman on 2008-01-30 15:28:05
(1) Ricky Ponting – (THE TRULY GENUINE CRICKETER OF THE CRICKET ERA AND WHOSE INTEGRITY SHOULD NOT BE DOUBTED) should be considered as the FOURTH UMPIRE. As per the new rules, FOURTH UMPIRE decision is final and will over ride any decisions taken by any other umpires. ON-FIELD umpires can seek the assistance of RICKY PONTING even if he is not on the field. This rule is to be made, so that every team should understand the importance of the FOURTH UMPIRE.
(2) While AUSTRALIAN TEAM is bowling, If the ball flies anywhere close to the AUSTRALIAN FIELDER(WITHIN 5 metre distance), the batsman is to be considered OUT irrelevant of whether the catch was taken cleanly or grassed. Any decision for further clarification should be seeked from the FOURTH UMPIRE. This is made to ensure that the cricket is played with SPORTIVE SPIRIT by all the teams.
(3) While BATTING, AUSTRALIAN players will wait for the ON-FIELD UMPIRE decisions only (even if the catch goes to the FIFTH SLIP as the ball might not have touched the bat). Each AUSTRALIAN batsman has to be out FOUR TIMES (minimum) before he can return to the pavilion. In case of THE CRICKETER WITH INTEGRITY, this can be higher.
(4) UMPIRES should consider a huge bonus if an AUSTRALIAN player scores a century. Any wrong decisions can be ignored as they will be paid huge bonus and will receive the backing of the AUSTRALIAN team and board.
(5) All AUSTRALIAN players are eligible to keep commenting about all players on the field and the OPPONENT TEAM should never comment as they will be spoiling the spirit of the AUSTRALIAN team. Any comments made in any other language are to be considered as RACISM only.
(6) MATCH REFREE decisions will be taken purely on the AUSTRALIAN TEAM advices only. Player views from the other teams decisions will not be considered for hearing. MATCH REFREES are to be given huge bonus if this rule is implemented.
(7) NO VISITING TEAM should plan to win in AUSTRALIA. This is to ensure that the sportive spirit of CRICKET is maintained.
(8) THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE: If any bowler gets RICKY PONTING - “THE UNDISPUTED CRICKETER WITH INTEGTIRY IN THE GAME OF CRICKET” more than twice in a series, he will be banned for the REST OF THE SERIES. This is to ensure that the best batsman/Captain will be played to break records and create history in the game of CRICKET.
These rules will clarify better to the all the teams VISITING AUSTRALIA.
Posted by Lord Hanuman on 2008-01-30 15:28:05
I hate to think what the state of cricket would be like if India had all the financial clout AND were the top team in Tests and ODIs. THe game would be changed forever - and not for the better.
Posted by MT on 2008-01-30 15:32:44
Posted by MT on 2008-01-30 15:32:44
@Varghese
WE DID put our house in order. We arrested him. Also I believe the stations have a rule about not broadcasting misfits so as to discourage further attention seeking idiots and unlike India we don't deny we have racist idiots. Unlike India who play the three monkeys and deny everything, or Singh who does all three monkeys in one.
@Cricket, Has any Indian player been racially abused by any Australian player? YES/NO?
In case you struggle the answer is NO. Please stop suggest that Australian Crickets are racially abusing other teams. You wouldn't appreciate it if we started calling Sachin Tendulker a racist would you?
By the way Australia and India agreed on a list of words that would be consider racially offensive. Monkey was on the List, Bastard was NOT on the List.
Also this discussion is not about Australia, that is a seperate issue. There is no justification to bully boy tatics of India or the racial abuse of Singh.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 15:34:30
WE DID put our house in order. We arrested him. Also I believe the stations have a rule about not broadcasting misfits so as to discourage further attention seeking idiots and unlike India we don't deny we have racist idiots. Unlike India who play the three monkeys and deny everything, or Singh who does all three monkeys in one.
@Cricket, Has any Indian player been racially abused by any Australian player? YES/NO?
In case you struggle the answer is NO. Please stop suggest that Australian Crickets are racially abusing other teams. You wouldn't appreciate it if we started calling Sachin Tendulker a racist would you?
By the way Australia and India agreed on a list of words that would be consider racially offensive. Monkey was on the List, Bastard was NOT on the List.
Also this discussion is not about Australia, that is a seperate issue. There is no justification to bully boy tatics of India or the racial abuse of Singh.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 15:34:30
these made-up attempt-at-witty rule statements about cricket in australia are becoming monotonous and boring. i visit this site to engage in intelligent opinions backed up with thought and evidence. not to read elongated trash like that.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 15:36:43
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 15:36:43
...the 3 monkeys comment is in reference to:
Hear no Evil, Speak No Evil, See no Evil.....
Just to make sure everyone is clear.
@Lord Hanuman
Of course was it India that got majority of favourable decisions in the Perth test especially Hussey and Symonds.... I can't believe there are still Indians who can whinge about umpiring one game while ignoring that their team benefited the next.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 15:39:16
Hear no Evil, Speak No Evil, See no Evil.....
Just to make sure everyone is clear.
@Lord Hanuman
Of course was it India that got majority of favourable decisions in the Perth test especially Hussey and Symonds.... I can't believe there are still Indians who can whinge about umpiring one game while ignoring that their team benefited the next.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 15:39:16
@Andrew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sledging_(cricket)
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 15:45:50
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sledging_(cricket)
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 15:45:50
@Andrew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18N7epW1KHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IsVsLh-yGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi_t10pGN5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tCjf58Tw5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Nq4o3DGcc
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 15:56:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18N7epW1KHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IsVsLh-yGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi_t10pGN5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tCjf58Tw5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Nq4o3DGcc
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 15:56:30
Of course, Wikipedia. That foremost authority on everything. I found it amusing to read the statement "South Asian societies—such as India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh— have a very strong concept of politeness" is still requiring a citation as backup...
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 15:56:46
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 15:56:46
@ Jaradevans
Indians control Wikipedia.... isn't it??..
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 16:05:07
Indians control Wikipedia.... isn't it??..
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 16:05:07
I am expecting " Indians control Youtube" comment.....
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 16:08:05
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 16:08:05
didn't say that. just pointing out that any statement required some evidence to support it, especially in an on-line knowledge source. what you forwarded contains little to no evidence at all. you want to use subjectivity to support your arguments that's your problem.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 16:09:16
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 16:09:16
I am expecting a properly constructed sentence anytime soon.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 16:10:27
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 16:10:27
@Cricket
In any of those video's or the almighty wikipedia have any of the current Australian players racially abused an Indian player?
There is a difference between bad language and racial abuse.
Of course I can post Videos too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a04H7KccxfE
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 16:13:48
In any of those video's or the almighty wikipedia have any of the current Australian players racially abused an Indian player?
There is a difference between bad language and racial abuse.
Of course I can post Videos too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a04H7KccxfE
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 16:13:48
at 268/5 in the 47th, having made 87 off 83!!!! you'd be getting happy if he'd made nothing of no balls at all. sreesanth has a screw loose.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 16:20:10
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 16:20:10
@Andrew
Come on Dear Friend!
You can't proclaim to be the face of "Neo-Apartheid Movement". I posted those videos to present a real picture of Australian team. And as far as racism is concerned, i know what racism is, more than you. I face it every single day and that too, in the most liberal country in the world. As far as Racism in Sports is concerned, have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tsqx-yPW4M
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 16:40:34
Come on Dear Friend!
You can't proclaim to be the face of "Neo-Apartheid Movement". I posted those videos to present a real picture of Australian team. And as far as racism is concerned, i know what racism is, more than you. I face it every single day and that too, in the most liberal country in the world. As far as Racism in Sports is concerned, have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tsqx-yPW4M
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-30 16:40:34
you seem to have evidence which the judge missed out or are you saying BCCI brought out the judge??
symonds say did you call me monkey and hayden and clarke heard symonds words. now where is the evidence that bhaji said so??
if you please immediately contact the judge ..hey call up a press conference as well ..
meanwhile let me find the judge's number...
Posted by crybabies on 2008-01-30 16:57:17
symonds say did you call me monkey and hayden and clarke heard symonds words. now where is the evidence that bhaji said so??
if you please immediately contact the judge ..hey call up a press conference as well ..
meanwhile let me find the judge's number...
Posted by crybabies on 2008-01-30 16:57:17
that's a wonderfully juvenile view on proceedings, but you're entitled to it.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:01:33
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:01:33
Andrew,
Biased facts about Perth test are not helping your case; India got 2 bad decisions for Sachin & Dhoni in I innings, each worser than the other, with the ball leaving a foot or higher over the stuimps to be out LBW!
Too bad Hussey & Symonds got bad decisions; at least the umpires are consistent.
Not to ignore the fact that Symonds who benefited the most from umpires in Sydney test was mighty pissed at the umpire in Perth test, that its a surprise he was not called for dissent.
Sydney test, 11 bad decisions, 8 against India, & 3 against Australia. And the decisions against India were atrocious, like the Symonds snick, not close LBW calls.
Comparing umpiring in Sydney & Perth may sound good for domestic consumption but flies in the face of facts.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 17:02:21
Biased facts about Perth test are not helping your case; India got 2 bad decisions for Sachin & Dhoni in I innings, each worser than the other, with the ball leaving a foot or higher over the stuimps to be out LBW!
Too bad Hussey & Symonds got bad decisions; at least the umpires are consistent.
Not to ignore the fact that Symonds who benefited the most from umpires in Sydney test was mighty pissed at the umpire in Perth test, that its a surprise he was not called for dissent.
Sydney test, 11 bad decisions, 8 against India, & 3 against Australia. And the decisions against India were atrocious, like the Symonds snick, not close LBW calls.
Comparing umpiring in Sydney & Perth may sound good for domestic consumption but flies in the face of facts.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 17:02:21
heres a number you can contact +971 4 368 8300
do pass on the evidence...the brownies must be punished
Posted by crybabies on 2008-01-30 17:06:25
do pass on the evidence...the brownies must be punished
Posted by crybabies on 2008-01-30 17:06:25
If Ricky Ponting and Sachin Tendulkar jointly wrote a letter to Mr. Hansen asking that the racism charge be reduced to an offensive language charge, then BCCI can hardly be blame.
The Australian captain needs to be asked why he turned his back on his teammate. Or was his charge frivolous to begin with?
Posted by Kartikeya on 2008-01-30 17:08:00
The Australian captain needs to be asked why he turned his back on his teammate. Or was his charge frivolous to begin with?
Posted by Kartikeya on 2008-01-30 17:08:00
Can i reverse the charges?
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:14:36
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:14:36
You can try, but will find that no one is complaining.
Indians have been called worse than the alleged "monkey" by Austrlians on field.
As Steve Waugh said, Ricky Ponting opened a can of worms by complaining, and diverted cricket world's attention onto the sledging practises & unsporting conduct of his team. What a self goal!
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 17:18:07
Indians have been called worse than the alleged "monkey" by Austrlians on field.
As Steve Waugh said, Ricky Ponting opened a can of worms by complaining, and diverted cricket world's attention onto the sledging practises & unsporting conduct of his team. What a self goal!
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 17:18:07
Kartikeya, mate, there was simply more to it than that. India flew their one day squad to Adelaide, chartered a plane, and threatened to leave unless the charge was dropped. If that's not holding everyone concerned to ransom then what is? Cricket Australia asked their own players to reduce their accusation to avoid the Indians packing up and leaving. BCCI are guilty of gross misconduct and unprofessionalism, Cricket Australia are guilty of not standing by their players and a dire case of hypocrisy. Even if, on no physical evidence, Symonds/Hayden/Clarke stood by their word and insisted Harbhajan had used racist words, and he got off scot free, that would have at least proved someone here had a spine. Unfortunately TV rights got in the way of that.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:19:38
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:19:38
Ravi, it's an own goal dude. And as mike_hunt and numerous others have pointed out on this blog, time and time again, there's a difference between sledging and racial abuse. Something which is seemingly conveniently ignored as and when appropriate.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:22:01
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:22:01
I don't proclaim anything Cricket.
But I don't see why an Indian players gets away with racism while other players don't. You see to us normal people thats not justice.
So explain to me why it is wrong for me to annoyed that an Indian player got off from a racism charge?
Is there some rule that I have to black/Indian/Thai/Chinese/Polish/African/Russian/Japanese before I can complain? Please nominate which one so I know "Cricket".
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 17:23:45
But I don't see why an Indian players gets away with racism while other players don't. You see to us normal people thats not justice.
So explain to me why it is wrong for me to annoyed that an Indian player got off from a racism charge?
Is there some rule that I have to black/Indian/Thai/Chinese/Polish/African/Russian/Japanese before I can complain? Please nominate which one so I know "Cricket".
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 17:23:45
jaradevans, agree racial abuse is not to be tolerated, but it is also true that one should be proved guilty as it is a serious offence. When it is one man's word against others, charges do not stick in real world.
Besides, one man's abuse is another man's friendly banter. "Bastard" is very offensive in Inda, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, West Indies, England, as acknowledged by Allan Border himself.
I think, internatinal players should follow the same norms of international travelers - be aware of global senstivities.
It is probablyly better tackled either by avoiding this sledging artform, or be sportive about give & take on the field. Can't have cake & eat it too.
I don't believe in this crap about list of offensive words exchanged between India & Australia boards prior to the series. So if someone called Symonds an "ape" instead of a "monkey" things are okay?
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 17:33:59
Besides, one man's abuse is another man's friendly banter. "Bastard" is very offensive in Inda, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, West Indies, England, as acknowledged by Allan Border himself.
I think, internatinal players should follow the same norms of international travelers - be aware of global senstivities.
It is probablyly better tackled either by avoiding this sledging artform, or be sportive about give & take on the field. Can't have cake & eat it too.
I don't believe in this crap about list of offensive words exchanged between India & Australia boards prior to the series. So if someone called Symonds an "ape" instead of a "monkey" things are okay?
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 17:33:59
I don't believe that tripe either. When do the old sticks-and-stones rules apply? If I was admired by many, getting paid a fortune playing cricket, I'd be there loving every minute, regardless of what some muppet called me. Think international cricketers are getting too precious.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:40:25
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:40:25
By claiming he is the only descendant from our common ancestors Monkey, Symonds has actually monopolised evolution of human being. If "monkey" is an abuse as it is construed to be derogatory due to an indirect hint that the person against whom it is used are perceived to be lower down the evolutionary ladder, than "Uncivilized" is also a derogatory term in the same sense.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 17:46:57
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 17:46:57
Almost everybody in Australia is more than convinced that BCCI influenced the decision and arm twisted CA... Is anybody privy to closed door conversion between BCCI bosses and CA? If so, please download the video and post the URL. Otherwise, it is all speculation, conjecture and juicy time killing stories....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 17:49:16
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 17:49:16
NFI, there's a slight difference in interpretation in the word and its intended use. I'm sure Barbie never meant to accuse Simmo of being the only descendant of the homo neanderthalensis genus. Think he was purely going on looks.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:51:41
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:51:41
The Title of the post "what a joke" trivialises the entire issue. It is not a joke to India, it is a very serious allegation against Indian Players. Specially so, when we are at the forefront of anti-racism fight in the world and vehemently fought racism wherever it occurred in any form. So, this charge against one of indian players has come as a heart breaking event for us. Now we are happy that it was all due to misinterpretation of what bhajji said.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 17:53:58
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 17:53:58
NFI, again, you're conveying words not necessarily coming past your maxillary bone. http://www.theage.com.au/news/cricket/india-denies-racerow-escape-plan/2008/01/30/1201369177436.html might help clear a few matters.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:54:08
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 17:54:08
I think TA was referring to the decision as the "joke", and not the incident itself. No misinterpretations were seemingly made by those forced to change their accusation. I would very well imagine the disappointment of indian fans to learn one of their players has been labelled a racist, since this is not something anyone would ever want to be stuck with. You must think, though, that having been accused of it once or twice before, he needs at the very least to learn to control his temper.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:00:43
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:00:43
NFI, again, you're conveying words not necessarily coming past your maxillary bone. http://www.theage.com.au/news/cricket/india-denies-racerow-escape-plan/2008/01/30/1201369177436.html might help clear a few matters.
Let's not put our belief, conviction, trust, conscience, eyes and ears at the altar of the GREAT MONSTER called "MEDIA". This may be one of the ploys to sell more prints... who knows?
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:00:44
Let's not put our belief, conviction, trust, conscience, eyes and ears at the altar of the GREAT MONSTER called "MEDIA". This may be one of the ploys to sell more prints... who knows?
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:00:44
"Specially so, when we are at the forefront of anti-racism fight in the world and vehemently fought racism wherever it occurred in any form." - No Idea
According to Lalchand Rajput, Manager, Indian Cricket Team, "I personally believe, racism does not exist in India to be very honest."
Perhaps you can explain what casteism is to your countrymen.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:02:16
According to Lalchand Rajput, Manager, Indian Cricket Team, "I personally believe, racism does not exist in India to be very honest."
Perhaps you can explain what casteism is to your countrymen.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:02:16
Well, that wouldn't be the first time someone had thought that of a Fairfax publication. However, since the media a significant source of information, that's where people must make up their own minds, and read as much as they can before offering opinions. I was more pointing out that the australians were convinced of X, then came out and said Y. Make up your own mind about what happened in between time.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:04:07
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:04:07
The past is replete with events of the meek and modest being oppressed to embarrassing extents. Nobody cares a fig about it. Only when the oppressed rise up in defiance of the the bowl of stale and stinking soup handed to them that history is made and the world takes notice of it.
The Sydney fiasco is one such event - a watershed moment. For long the Australians have been dishing out obscenities to the opposition - sledging on extremely personal lines and what's worse they do it to win a game. Ability to unsettle the opposition when the match's slipping away is their forte. Not surprising that they have been able to win from the most hopeless of situations. Steven Waugh's 'Mental Disintregation' virtually made such ugly and indecent moves apparently fair and ethical. Ask any local australian cricketer and he'd say, "This is the way we've played right from backyard cricket days."
Question is, should cricket, a sport played across 5 continents, be played the way it is played in an Australian backyard?
The Australians have gotten wrong there and so the rest of the world in following them blindly. There is a huge cultural difference between the Asian, European and Australasian countries. In Asia, a caring mother calls her naughty child a 'monkey' just the same way a man in australia calls his mate a 'bastard'.
With such cultural differences and unknowingness of the other's culture a Sydney-like-situation was waiting to happen. This sledging animal has been nurtured by the Australians themselves. Now they have been hoisted by their own petard.
For years teams from subcontinent have been punished on many false charges or on charges that shouldn't have been made at all. Other teams were never charged in similar situations. Six Indian players were punished for excessive appealing in South Africa when they actually were much more correct than the Australians at Sydney.
Things have changed a lot in the last 10 years. The BCCI is the strongest cricket board and the Indian cricket team too a strong one. And so are other subcontinent teams. No way are they going to tolerate such rubbish.
Coming to the main issue, there's no way Harbhajan could have uttered the 'monkey' word, considering the circumstances as I'd explained earlier. Moreover, he'd supposedly said, 'Maa Ki' and let me tell you that this word features regularly in typical Indian banters. What's so appalling is the bigger picture has being overlooked. From Symonds' testimony, 'Harbhajan hit Lee' and so he went up and 'gave' him a bit. I saw the match and all my eyes could see is a pat at Brett's back by Harbhajan after the latter negotiated a very good yorker from Lee and ran for a single. It was an innocent gesture complimenting Lee and the only thing wrong about it was that Harbhajan used his bat instead of the hand. Lee smiled and readied himself for the next ball. All of a sudden we have Symonds involved and the rest is no secret. Who's the real trouble maker here? I'm really shocked that Symonds' got away with it. Had he been from the subcontinent, a 3 match ban was inevitable.
Australia might be livid over the ban getting lifted and say that the BCCI has arm-twisted the ICC. What they don't know is that the rest of the world, and that's a lot of people and space, is Laughing at them. Deep down inside each and everyone of them would giggle and say, weren't the Aussies the proponents of ugly and hard cricket? Now they are misinterpreting their own hard cricket as racial abuse!
HAHA, I too had a good laugh.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:06:53
The Sydney fiasco is one such event - a watershed moment. For long the Australians have been dishing out obscenities to the opposition - sledging on extremely personal lines and what's worse they do it to win a game. Ability to unsettle the opposition when the match's slipping away is their forte. Not surprising that they have been able to win from the most hopeless of situations. Steven Waugh's 'Mental Disintregation' virtually made such ugly and indecent moves apparently fair and ethical. Ask any local australian cricketer and he'd say, "This is the way we've played right from backyard cricket days."
Question is, should cricket, a sport played across 5 continents, be played the way it is played in an Australian backyard?
The Australians have gotten wrong there and so the rest of the world in following them blindly. There is a huge cultural difference between the Asian, European and Australasian countries. In Asia, a caring mother calls her naughty child a 'monkey' just the same way a man in australia calls his mate a 'bastard'.
With such cultural differences and unknowingness of the other's culture a Sydney-like-situation was waiting to happen. This sledging animal has been nurtured by the Australians themselves. Now they have been hoisted by their own petard.
For years teams from subcontinent have been punished on many false charges or on charges that shouldn't have been made at all. Other teams were never charged in similar situations. Six Indian players were punished for excessive appealing in South Africa when they actually were much more correct than the Australians at Sydney.
Things have changed a lot in the last 10 years. The BCCI is the strongest cricket board and the Indian cricket team too a strong one. And so are other subcontinent teams. No way are they going to tolerate such rubbish.
Coming to the main issue, there's no way Harbhajan could have uttered the 'monkey' word, considering the circumstances as I'd explained earlier. Moreover, he'd supposedly said, 'Maa Ki' and let me tell you that this word features regularly in typical Indian banters. What's so appalling is the bigger picture has being overlooked. From Symonds' testimony, 'Harbhajan hit Lee' and so he went up and 'gave' him a bit. I saw the match and all my eyes could see is a pat at Brett's back by Harbhajan after the latter negotiated a very good yorker from Lee and ran for a single. It was an innocent gesture complimenting Lee and the only thing wrong about it was that Harbhajan used his bat instead of the hand. Lee smiled and readied himself for the next ball. All of a sudden we have Symonds involved and the rest is no secret. Who's the real trouble maker here? I'm really shocked that Symonds' got away with it. Had he been from the subcontinent, a 3 match ban was inevitable.
Australia might be livid over the ban getting lifted and say that the BCCI has arm-twisted the ICC. What they don't know is that the rest of the world, and that's a lot of people and space, is Laughing at them. Deep down inside each and everyone of them would giggle and say, weren't the Aussies the proponents of ugly and hard cricket? Now they are misinterpreting their own hard cricket as racial abuse!
HAHA, I too had a good laugh.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:06:53
I like to know someone who knows what the whole world is doing. Well travelled indeed.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:10:44
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:10:44
let australia arm twist icc into making a rule that teams playing with australia can only get sledged, but will be branded racists if they sledge back. Then there will be no such episodes.
Posted by australia sucks on 2008-01-30 18:11:03
Posted by australia sucks on 2008-01-30 18:11:03
There is a big difference to these two things, Hanuman. AT THE OUTSET, LET ME DECLARE THAT I DO NOT CONDONE CASTEISM. But the difference is the origination of casteism is not due to racial difference, but due to cultural difference. Secondly, racism takes a virulent form when it is combined with economic exploitation. Casteism is dwindling extremely rapidly and it does not exist in cities and towns. If it is practised, it may be practised by ignorant lot and they are not part of mainstream India. They are increasingly being pressurized by powerful economic, constitutional and social forces and sooner rather than later, an uprush of economic force will overtake whoever preaches or practises.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:11:11
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:11:11
Bored of saying the australians did not believe they misinterpreted anything. Sledging is fine, and anyone who's played a decent level of cricket will tell you it exists everywhere, Australia, England, New Zealand or South Africa (apologies, I haven't had the pleasure of the sub-continent as yet). But nowhere I've played has condoned racial slurs. To say it was all a big "misinterpretation" is to sweep it under the carpet and use the "....but you did this, and that" defence. Sod off and admit when you're in the wrong.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:17:28
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:17:28
"Maa Ki" has been misinterpreted and wrongly heard as "Monkey". Bhajji, the poor chap, has undergone stressful time, unsure about what would happen to him due to uttering something absolutely innocuous. I think his worst is over and now he would be able to concentrate more on what he does best, that is taking scalps.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:22:13
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:22:13
Zapper try doing a little reading we have covered this before, .... Try not to make yourself look any more idiotic.
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Meanwhile, the Indians have laughed off suggestions that Andrew Symonds misheard Harbhajan Singh during their clash, which resulted in racism charges being successfully brought against the spinner.
Websites and gossips have claimed Singh said "maa ki", an obscenity in the Hindu language, and that the Australian all-rounder believed he had been called a "monkey", which led to an official complaint.
But the Indians will claim no such thing at the appeal, which is yet to be scheduled, and will maintain that nothing of the sort was said by Harbhajan.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/all-deals-are-off-declare-indians/2008/01/11/1199988590669.html?page=2
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Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 18:23:08
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Meanwhile, the Indians have laughed off suggestions that Andrew Symonds misheard Harbhajan Singh during their clash, which resulted in racism charges being successfully brought against the spinner.
Websites and gossips have claimed Singh said "maa ki", an obscenity in the Hindu language, and that the Australian all-rounder believed he had been called a "monkey", which led to an official complaint.
But the Indians will claim no such thing at the appeal, which is yet to be scheduled, and will maintain that nothing of the sort was said by Harbhajan.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/all-deals-are-off-declare-indians/2008/01/11/1199988590669.html?page=2
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Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 18:23:08
NA, I applaud your stance on casteism but to claim you are the Anti Racism world champs is rich considering the defence of Harbi.
And when does the colour of your skin become cultural. eg: wheatish etc
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:26:26
And when does the colour of your skin become cultural. eg: wheatish etc
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:26:26
"I think his worst is over and now he would be able to concentrate more on what he does best, that is taking scalps." NA
We have a plan for that - dropping Punter:-)
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:27:43
We have a plan for that - dropping Punter:-)
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:27:43
The preference for the colour of the skin is a personal choice and nothing to do with casteism... taking forward your logic, the prefernce for taller person is also a racism as it may be construed humiliating to mongolian race... better brush up on this subject
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:30:47
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:30:47
If he wanted to call Symonds a motherf@#&r why didn't he? He didn't hold back when addressing Pietersen last year? If i tell you to va fangool is that okay, because you don't know what it means? Immature actions by a silly little man. Want to carry on like a pork chop, bugger off back to Punjab.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:33:13
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:33:13
Andrew,
I have read whatever that's been written. Problem is you don't get what I wrote. Probably you didn't read what I wrote. So, atleast practise what you preach. And why would you care to read anyway? Those one-eyed articles in The Australian would suit you better. And every time you try to make me look idiot or for that matter support 'Andrew Symonds', keep in mind that I'm laughing at you.
Get the point and get over this.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:33:34
I have read whatever that's been written. Problem is you don't get what I wrote. Probably you didn't read what I wrote. So, atleast practise what you preach. And why would you care to read anyway? Those one-eyed articles in The Australian would suit you better. And every time you try to make me look idiot or for that matter support 'Andrew Symonds', keep in mind that I'm laughing at you.
Get the point and get over this.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:33:34
Why did the Indians go into a frenzy when it was revealed new evidence (the stump mike) was being introduced? Was it because they feared that it might be heard what was actually said?
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:37:22
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:37:22
Andrew isn't making you look like an idiot. You're succeeding doing that all on your own.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:39:42
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:39:42
"If he wanted to call Symonds a motherf@#&r why didn't he? He didn't hold back when addressing Pietersen last year? If i tell you to va fangool is that okay, because you don't know what it means? Immature actions by a silly little man. Want to carry on like a pork chop, bugger off back to Punjab."
Sometimes at the heat of the moment, you tend to speak in your mother tongue. I am sure Bhajji is aware of the english form of "Maa Ki" but as he was in the midst of a highly charged match against a highly "sledge loving" bunch of players, he might have reacted in an impromptu fashion...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:40:04
Sometimes at the heat of the moment, you tend to speak in your mother tongue. I am sure Bhajji is aware of the english form of "Maa Ki" but as he was in the midst of a highly charged match against a highly "sledge loving" bunch of players, he might have reacted in an impromptu fashion...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:40:04
"The preference for the colour of the skin is a personal choice and nothing to do with casteism..." - NA
Hmmm personal choice? try institutionalised predjudice.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:40:05
Hmmm personal choice? try institutionalised predjudice.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 18:40:05
So you're saying he calculatedly swore at Pietersen last year? Not that I mind, though, I'd calculatedly swear at Pietersen too.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:41:15
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:41:15
jaradevans,
No they didnt. They actually were a bit apprehensive that the evidence might be tampered with in Symonds' favour. Remember, the local broadcaster didnt share the stump microphone feed with ESPN/Star Sports. So they rightly smelled something fishy couldnt be sure of it's authenticity. Also they couldn't could trust anyone in a nation with hostile media and players' claiming false catches.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:43:59
No they didnt. They actually were a bit apprehensive that the evidence might be tampered with in Symonds' favour. Remember, the local broadcaster didnt share the stump microphone feed with ESPN/Star Sports. So they rightly smelled something fishy couldnt be sure of it's authenticity. Also they couldn't could trust anyone in a nation with hostile media and players' claiming false catches.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:43:59
Tampered!!! You are from the fruit farm aren't you!!
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:47:59
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:47:59
Stop clutching at all the straws, we need them for our drinks.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:49:04
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:49:04
Can you pronounce indoctrinated?
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:50:03
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-30 18:50:03
"The preference for the colour of the skin is a personal choice and nothing to do with casteism..." - NA
Hmmm personal choice? try institutionalised predjudice." - Hanuman
Hmmm... All over the world we have institutionalised racism against races with shorter heights...
You decide discrimination not on the basis of personal choice, but how a person having a particular skin colour are treated socially, professionally and economically. By huge stretch of imagination, I am not able to conceive a situation where a person has been denied jobs or any other privileges due to skin colour.
On the other hand, there are examples where a person may befascinated by darker skin when it comes to physical attraction but the same person may behave racially at work place or when it comes to more serious issues... hope you get it...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:51:59
Hmmm personal choice? try institutionalised predjudice." - Hanuman
Hmmm... All over the world we have institutionalised racism against races with shorter heights...
You decide discrimination not on the basis of personal choice, but how a person having a particular skin colour are treated socially, professionally and economically. By huge stretch of imagination, I am not able to conceive a situation where a person has been denied jobs or any other privileges due to skin colour.
On the other hand, there are examples where a person may befascinated by darker skin when it comes to physical attraction but the same person may behave racially at work place or when it comes to more serious issues... hope you get it...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 18:51:59
yup mate.
n i can pronounce mo@@ey too.
:D
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:53:55
n i can pronounce mo@@ey too.
:D
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 18:53:55
Things are getting abit dicey here with personal, regional sledges.
Hope Ricky Ponting or Clarke is around to complain to JC ...
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 18:54:56
Hope Ricky Ponting or Clarke is around to complain to JC ...
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 18:54:56
Dont worry Ravi, JC is a good man.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 19:01:39
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 19:01:39
1. India was outplayed by umpires in Sydney and a charge of racial abuse was unfairly hurled against one of our innocent cricketer....
2. kumble displays rare statesmanship by dropping charges against Hogg for the sake of Game of cricket. Kumble shows an example to the rest of the world - "the game of cricket is bigger than all of us".
3. India bounces back strongly at Perth, arguably the most difficult track to play for any visiting team and beats the world champ. India proves convincingly that without any umpiring errors we are as good as Aussies.
4. The false allegation against bhajji is dropped.
How many times you can get egg-faced?
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 19:08:39
2. kumble displays rare statesmanship by dropping charges against Hogg for the sake of Game of cricket. Kumble shows an example to the rest of the world - "the game of cricket is bigger than all of us".
3. India bounces back strongly at Perth, arguably the most difficult track to play for any visiting team and beats the world champ. India proves convincingly that without any umpiring errors we are as good as Aussies.
4. The false allegation against bhajji is dropped.
How many times you can get egg-faced?
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 19:08:39
Thanks Zapper. I know JC will carefully evaluate evidence on both sides without relying on his gut instincts or impressions, before issuing blog bans or suspensions.
Hopefully, no one can arm twist him about dropping the blog bans & get away with a lesser punishment of having to praise his opponent team for atleast a day.
I just believe in standing up for my mates as my favorite cricketer Symonds does.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 19:10:37
Hopefully, no one can arm twist him about dropping the blog bans & get away with a lesser punishment of having to praise his opponent team for atleast a day.
I just believe in standing up for my mates as my favorite cricketer Symonds does.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 19:10:37
jaradevans,
wasnt that on racial/regional lines? u showed ur true colours mate. u not only have let urself down but also ur fellow mates here. buy a mask and hide ur face.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 19:12:12
wasnt that on racial/regional lines? u showed ur true colours mate. u not only have let urself down but also ur fellow mates here. buy a mask and hide ur face.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 19:12:12
Now the moot point is - WILL BHAJJI DECIDE TO GO FOR ARBITRATION AGAINST SYMONDS DUE TO THE MENTAL TORTURE AND HUMILATION HE WAS SUBJECTED TO BY A FALSE ALLEGATION HAVING POSSIBLY AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE?
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 19:25:15
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 19:25:15
"By huge stretch of imagination, I am not able to conceive a situation where a person has been denied jobs or any other privileges due to skin colour. " - NA
Just how many dark skinned Bollywood actresses are there?
"Hmmm... All over the world we have institutionalised racism against races with shorter heights..." - NA
Curious stuff. Care to name one of these backward countries?
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 19:30:56
Just how many dark skinned Bollywood actresses are there?
"Hmmm... All over the world we have institutionalised racism against races with shorter heights..." - NA
Curious stuff. Care to name one of these backward countries?
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 19:30:56
A few dark skinned bollywood actresses - Bipasha Basu, Malaika Arora, Tanushree Dutta (She was incidently Miss India), Juhi Chawla and many more.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 19:45:07
Posted by Zapper on 2008-01-30 19:45:07
By huge stretch of imagination, I am not able to conceive a situation where a person has been denied jobs or any other privileges due to skin colour. " - NA
TOP FIVE BIOLLOYWOOD ACTRESSES WITH DARK SKIN:
1. Rani Mukherjee
2. Bipasha Basu
3. Mallika Sherawat
4. Koena Mitra
5. Rimmi Sen
There are many more. I think you are reading too much into this skin colour issue, may be, you are reading lot of pulp stories invented by media. Let me tell you, just like west, dark skinned attractive people have good number of followers in India as well.
"Hmmm... All over the world we have institutionalised racism against races with shorter heights..." - NA
I wanted to stress upon the point that if individual choice determines racism than if an individual prefers tall person, he/she would be racist as that would be against mongolian race.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 19:47:20
TOP FIVE BIOLLOYWOOD ACTRESSES WITH DARK SKIN:
1. Rani Mukherjee
2. Bipasha Basu
3. Mallika Sherawat
4. Koena Mitra
5. Rimmi Sen
There are many more. I think you are reading too much into this skin colour issue, may be, you are reading lot of pulp stories invented by media. Let me tell you, just like west, dark skinned attractive people have good number of followers in India as well.
"Hmmm... All over the world we have institutionalised racism against races with shorter heights..." - NA
I wanted to stress upon the point that if individual choice determines racism than if an individual prefers tall person, he/she would be racist as that would be against mongolian race.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 19:47:20
What's unfortunate here is that BCCI had to arm twist the ICC to get a fair decision. Its a sad statement about the integrity of those who run cricket, when participants doubt decisions will be fair.
The ICC is to be blamed, for too long there was a real perception that their decisions were biased in favor of England and Australia (scheduling of tours, veto powers, board appointments, allowing sledging to be a part of cricket, especially harsh disciplinary actions against sub continental players and overlooking others especially Australian players etc). I believe BCCI feels this perception is real, and they are too powerful now not to do anything about it, especially in an occasion when they would have been in the receiving end otherwise.
This episode is bad for cricket, but only the naive did not see it coming. Time for some introspection at all levels.
Posted by Sameer on 2008-01-30 19:51:34
The ICC is to be blamed, for too long there was a real perception that their decisions were biased in favor of England and Australia (scheduling of tours, veto powers, board appointments, allowing sledging to be a part of cricket, especially harsh disciplinary actions against sub continental players and overlooking others especially Australian players etc). I believe BCCI feels this perception is real, and they are too powerful now not to do anything about it, especially in an occasion when they would have been in the receiving end otherwise.
This episode is bad for cricket, but only the naive did not see it coming. Time for some introspection at all levels.
Posted by Sameer on 2008-01-30 19:51:34
How nice of all you guys:
got vibe??
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/04/1051987597602.html
got indegenious children??
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/australia.rudd.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch
Wish all you guys were out there helping the mostly poor, mostly jailed aborigines, and not holed up in your little turtle shells.
Yes, BCCI is taking over. Half your baggy greens will be in india playing for IPL for the green-backs. So better suck up.
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:09:35
got vibe??
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/04/1051987597602.html
got indegenious children??
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/australia.rudd.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch
Wish all you guys were out there helping the mostly poor, mostly jailed aborigines, and not holed up in your little turtle shells.
Yes, BCCI is taking over. Half your baggy greens will be in india playing for IPL for the green-backs. So better suck up.
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:09:35
Wasnt that JC who said, Symonds may look like a goose...
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/334196.html
"Andrew Symonds' inability to conclusively say whether he had used the word monkey or a Hindi abuse along with his admission that the language was not fit enough for the requirements of a level 3.3 offence played a crucial part in Justice John Hansen's verdict, where he cleared Harbhajan of racial abuse."
.. he does.
What are you arguing about? Get a life
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:16:16
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/334196.html
"Andrew Symonds' inability to conclusively say whether he had used the word monkey or a Hindi abuse along with his admission that the language was not fit enough for the requirements of a level 3.3 offence played a crucial part in Justice John Hansen's verdict, where he cleared Harbhajan of racial abuse."
.. he does.
What are you arguing about? Get a life
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:16:16
Yes Australia has some problems ...
However Alter Ego, these problems are nothing compared to India so called "non-racist" caste issues.
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Statistics compiled by India's National Crime Records Bureau indicate that in the year 2000, the last year for which figures are available, 25,455 crimes were committed against Dalits. Every hour two Dalits are assaulted; every day three Dalit women are raped, two Dalits are murdered, and two Dalit homes are torched.
No one believes these numbers are anywhere close to the reality of crimes committed against Dalits. Because the police, village councils, and government officials often support the caste system, which is based on the religious teachings of Hinduism, many crimes go unreported due to fear of reprisal, intimidation by police, inability to pay bribes demanded by police, or simply the knowledge that the police will do nothing.
"There have been large-scale abuses by the police, acting in collusion with upper castes, including raids, beatings in custody, failure to charge offenders or investigate reported crimes," said Narula.
That same year, 68,160 complaints were filed against the police for activities ranging from murder, torture, and collusion in acts of atrocity, to refusal to file a complaint. Sixty two percent of the cases were dismissed as unsubstantiated; 26 police officers were convicted in court.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0602_030602_untouchables.html
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No country is perfect, but at least Australia acknowledges its problems and works to fixing it.
In India these people can't even turn to the police.
Of course I haven't started on the honour killings, the violence against other religions such as Christians and Muslims such as the massacres in Gujarat etc etc etc.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 20:21:51
However Alter Ego, these problems are nothing compared to India so called "non-racist" caste issues.
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Statistics compiled by India's National Crime Records Bureau indicate that in the year 2000, the last year for which figures are available, 25,455 crimes were committed against Dalits. Every hour two Dalits are assaulted; every day three Dalit women are raped, two Dalits are murdered, and two Dalit homes are torched.
No one believes these numbers are anywhere close to the reality of crimes committed against Dalits. Because the police, village councils, and government officials often support the caste system, which is based on the religious teachings of Hinduism, many crimes go unreported due to fear of reprisal, intimidation by police, inability to pay bribes demanded by police, or simply the knowledge that the police will do nothing.
"There have been large-scale abuses by the police, acting in collusion with upper castes, including raids, beatings in custody, failure to charge offenders or investigate reported crimes," said Narula.
That same year, 68,160 complaints were filed against the police for activities ranging from murder, torture, and collusion in acts of atrocity, to refusal to file a complaint. Sixty two percent of the cases were dismissed as unsubstantiated; 26 police officers were convicted in court.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0602_030602_untouchables.html
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No country is perfect, but at least Australia acknowledges its problems and works to fixing it.
In India these people can't even turn to the police.
Of course I haven't started on the honour killings, the violence against other religions such as Christians and Muslims such as the massacres in Gujarat etc etc etc.
Posted by Andrew on 2008-01-30 20:21:51
No one or no country is perfect. Perfect reason why little humility rather than arrogance & being precious is a welcome trait in all of us.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 20:31:39
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-30 20:31:39
Andrew my lord:
Who do you have beef with:
all but dalits or all others but christians, muslims or with all the sikhs (like bhaji) not not hindus ..
Thanks for the data though, yes you have less of a life than I, but thanks never the less
Nobody is saying Australia is doing less or more. you got your problems. man.
Dont bring yourself low by generalizing about all indians. Again, I dont have any sympathy for Symonds or Bhajji
I dont care to defend any cultural misgivings, sorry that you have to deal with BCCI.
just think as Sharad Pawar's pay back time for that little stunt - will make you sleep easy
:-)
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:38:11
Who do you have beef with:
all but dalits or all others but christians, muslims or with all the sikhs (like bhaji) not not hindus ..
Thanks for the data though, yes you have less of a life than I, but thanks never the less
Nobody is saying Australia is doing less or more. you got your problems. man.
Dont bring yourself low by generalizing about all indians. Again, I dont have any sympathy for Symonds or Bhajji
I dont care to defend any cultural misgivings, sorry that you have to deal with BCCI.
just think as Sharad Pawar's pay back time for that little stunt - will make you sleep easy
:-)
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:38:11
So the criminal events have been equated with racism which has been equated with sledging on the cricket ground. So much so for the sense of proportion. I think many of the bloggers have rarest of rare qualities of writing a novel on "Twinkle Twinkle Little Stars"
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 20:40:00
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 20:40:00
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/334196.html
nuff said..
Posted by mailman on 2008-01-30 20:49:11
nuff said..
Posted by mailman on 2008-01-30 20:49:11
Bhajji did a OJ Simpson and obviously he said something.
But all the fuss for:
Symonds couldn't recall if he had heard Harbhajan use that particular Hindi abuse and accepted that it was a possibility. He also didn't find favour with the judge with his explanation for abusing Harbhajan after he patting Brett Lee on the back side. Symonds said he had objected because "a Test match is no place to be friendly with an opposition player" but Hansen obviously shared another view ("If that is his view I hope it is not one shared by all international cricketers").
- now Goose is not a racist slur. is it??
Oh well, atleast we got to beat up each other.
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:51:50
But all the fuss for:
Symonds couldn't recall if he had heard Harbhajan use that particular Hindi abuse and accepted that it was a possibility. He also didn't find favour with the judge with his explanation for abusing Harbhajan after he patting Brett Lee on the back side. Symonds said he had objected because "a Test match is no place to be friendly with an opposition player" but Hansen obviously shared another view ("If that is his view I hope it is not one shared by all international cricketers").
- now Goose is not a racist slur. is it??
Oh well, atleast we got to beat up each other.
Posted by Alter Ego on 2008-01-30 20:51:50
"Symonds couldn't recall if he had heard Harbhajan use that particular Hindi abuse and accepted that it was a possibility. He also didn't find favour with the judge with his explanation for abusing Harbhajan after he patting Brett Lee on the back side. Symonds said he had objected because "a Test match is no place to be friendly with an opposition player" but Hansen obviously shared another view ("If that is his view I hope it is not one shared by all international cricketers")."
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/334196.html
It seems Symonds literally declares war in the cricket field. He needs to change his attitude towards the game.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 20:53:08
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/334196.html
It seems Symonds literally declares war in the cricket field. He needs to change his attitude towards the game.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 20:53:08
"That same year, 68,160 complaints were filed against the police for activities ranging from murder, torture, and collusion in acts of atrocity, to refusal to file a complaint. Sixty two percent of the cases were dismissed as unsubstantiated; 26 police officers were convicted in court." - Andrew
Does it not prove also that there are many "Symonds" in India as well? Lodging complaint on false allegations.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 20:55:18
Does it not prove also that there are many "Symonds" in India as well? Lodging complaint on false allegations.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 20:55:18
Amongst all these fiascos, we are missing a great event, it is gradually shaping up and showing the potential, surely and certainly, of overtaking all other events with transient implications. That is the scarcity of bowlers in Australia. The recent event has unmistakably proved that australia is running out of steam as far as bowling is concerned. The very fact that australia thought mediocre Tait as god-send saviour shows everything is not going well in aussie bowling department. We are really concerned as that would make cricket little more boring. As the cricket is played by few nations, it is a common concern for all cricket lovers.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 21:17:24
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 21:17:24
I think the verdict was inevitable...
I do also feel that Harbhajan said the word monkey - but I think it would be unfair to ban Harbhajan and do nothing to Symmo...
Lets either make sure nothing is reported or that everything that is said is reported...
It is a strange situation when a brown man calls another brown man a racist term...
Symmo is not like a black English player in Eastern Europe getting bananas thrown at him by white fans...
I was also extremely disappointed by the BCCIs stunt to fly all their players out of Melbourne in case the verdict didnt go well...
BTW Hanuman and No Argument you are both complete muppets - India is the largest democracy in the world, and while not being perfect is an amazing place...
Your understanding of India lacks imagination and seems that you decided to look at a few people in isolation, remember India has a billion people mate. Both of you are as one eyed as the other - India must address its own issues...
It would be like me telling the world about the Redfern riots or Pauline Hansen as representative of our country, or denying that racism doesnt exist in Australia...
So many religions co-exist for the most part in harmony in India - and from what I see this is represented in their cricket team where 2 muslims, a sikh and different hindus from all over the country play together and get along..
BTW we have finally got rid of in my opinion one of the most racist Prime Ministers in our history and I am glad that has happened...
It is a sad day for cricket - but only because of the BCCIs stunt which was stupid - I have to say there are bigger things to worry about in this world than a brown guy allegedly calling another brown guy a monkey...
We complain about India taking the law into their own hands on the cricket field but Western democracies have done this for centuries - we only need to look at the war on Irag - which we were a part of...
Lets look at the big picture people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others - two wrongs dont make a right, Bhajji and Symmo both behaved poorly and both should be punished...
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 21:31:27
I do also feel that Harbhajan said the word monkey - but I think it would be unfair to ban Harbhajan and do nothing to Symmo...
Lets either make sure nothing is reported or that everything that is said is reported...
It is a strange situation when a brown man calls another brown man a racist term...
Symmo is not like a black English player in Eastern Europe getting bananas thrown at him by white fans...
I was also extremely disappointed by the BCCIs stunt to fly all their players out of Melbourne in case the verdict didnt go well...
BTW Hanuman and No Argument you are both complete muppets - India is the largest democracy in the world, and while not being perfect is an amazing place...
Your understanding of India lacks imagination and seems that you decided to look at a few people in isolation, remember India has a billion people mate. Both of you are as one eyed as the other - India must address its own issues...
It would be like me telling the world about the Redfern riots or Pauline Hansen as representative of our country, or denying that racism doesnt exist in Australia...
So many religions co-exist for the most part in harmony in India - and from what I see this is represented in their cricket team where 2 muslims, a sikh and different hindus from all over the country play together and get along..
BTW we have finally got rid of in my opinion one of the most racist Prime Ministers in our history and I am glad that has happened...
It is a sad day for cricket - but only because of the BCCIs stunt which was stupid - I have to say there are bigger things to worry about in this world than a brown guy allegedly calling another brown guy a monkey...
We complain about India taking the law into their own hands on the cricket field but Western democracies have done this for centuries - we only need to look at the war on Irag - which we were a part of...
Lets look at the big picture people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others - two wrongs dont make a right, Bhajji and Symmo both behaved poorly and both should be punished...
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 21:31:27
For me the case was simple. Lack of proof. Okay
I do not say that Bhajji might not have used this word. He might have he might not have. But to prove him guilty, proof must be presented. Sadly there was none. It was the word of 3 players against 2. Not good enough to prove anyone guilty. The fact remains that there was no proof against Bhajji. Remember the most of the world (I believe this includes Australia) works on the presumption that the accused should be proven guilty and not the guilty must prove himself innocent. There was no proof. Proctor himself admitted that he pronounced Bhajji guilty because he thought that the Aussies had no motive to accuse Bhajji. But pronouncing someone guilty because u thought something and without any proof is actually very silly. As far as word of the Aussies against the Indians is concerned any one party could be telling a lie. It is the word of two all time greats. The Aussies can call Indians a liar and we can reciprocate with the same. And the argument can go on and on.
As far as bringing sledging into cricket is concerned, I think Aussies are the most guilty
nation in this respect. Even in this case, Bhajji patted Lee on his butt, then why did Saint Symo jump in if not to sledge. Lee did not take offence and went back to his bowling crease.
I think the NZ judge has acted on evidence and there was nothing concrete against Bhajji. I still maintain, Bhajji might or might not have been guilty but without proof he is as innocent as any other person.
U guys are saying BCCI sucks. It blackmailed CAB. Well why did CAB surrender to BCCI's demand. It was very clear that if India withdrew from the tour, it will face a financial penalty. So no risk of financial loss. Then why did CAB not put in a fight. I think a person or organization has to be very meek to surrender to blackmailing and is equally guilty in the wrongdoing.
SPIN DOCTOR: Quote (My Indian friends tell me that the darker is your skin in India, the less attractive you are considered to be. That's pretty racist in my book, and might go a long way to explaining Singh's behaviour.)
Well it seems ur Indian friends have not visited Indian for ages. Because in India Dusky beauty is now considered equal, if not better than fair skin. Even Yuvraj's girlfriend Deepika Padukone will not be called fair. Then there is Koena Mitra, Sushmita Sen(Ex. Miss Universe), Lara Dutta(Ex. Miss Universe), etc who are doing well in the field of Modelling and Acting (without much acting talent ;-) ). Even one acress took a Dusky look for a flick, even though she is Dusky. Seems ur fredz dont like India or maybe u just wanted to put a point for the sake of it. But the fact remains that today we r one of the best places to be.
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 21:48:14
I do not say that Bhajji might not have used this word. He might have he might not have. But to prove him guilty, proof must be presented. Sadly there was none. It was the word of 3 players against 2. Not good enough to prove anyone guilty. The fact remains that there was no proof against Bhajji. Remember the most of the world (I believe this includes Australia) works on the presumption that the accused should be proven guilty and not the guilty must prove himself innocent. There was no proof. Proctor himself admitted that he pronounced Bhajji guilty because he thought that the Aussies had no motive to accuse Bhajji. But pronouncing someone guilty because u thought something and without any proof is actually very silly. As far as word of the Aussies against the Indians is concerned any one party could be telling a lie. It is the word of two all time greats. The Aussies can call Indians a liar and we can reciprocate with the same. And the argument can go on and on.
As far as bringing sledging into cricket is concerned, I think Aussies are the most guilty
nation in this respect. Even in this case, Bhajji patted Lee on his butt, then why did Saint Symo jump in if not to sledge. Lee did not take offence and went back to his bowling crease.
I think the NZ judge has acted on evidence and there was nothing concrete against Bhajji. I still maintain, Bhajji might or might not have been guilty but without proof he is as innocent as any other person.
U guys are saying BCCI sucks. It blackmailed CAB. Well why did CAB surrender to BCCI's demand. It was very clear that if India withdrew from the tour, it will face a financial penalty. So no risk of financial loss. Then why did CAB not put in a fight. I think a person or organization has to be very meek to surrender to blackmailing and is equally guilty in the wrongdoing.
SPIN DOCTOR: Quote (My Indian friends tell me that the darker is your skin in India, the less attractive you are considered to be. That's pretty racist in my book, and might go a long way to explaining Singh's behaviour.)
Well it seems ur Indian friends have not visited Indian for ages. Because in India Dusky beauty is now considered equal, if not better than fair skin. Even Yuvraj's girlfriend Deepika Padukone will not be called fair. Then there is Koena Mitra, Sushmita Sen(Ex. Miss Universe), Lara Dutta(Ex. Miss Universe), etc who are doing well in the field of Modelling and Acting (without much acting talent ;-) ). Even one acress took a Dusky look for a flick, even though she is Dusky. Seems ur fredz dont like India or maybe u just wanted to put a point for the sake of it. But the fact remains that today we r one of the best places to be.
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 21:48:14
One more thing: I saw in the news some days back that some poor Pakistani cab driver was beaten up
by some (White) Australians because of the Sydeny fiasco. This also led to an Cabbies strike. SO now shall we start calling all Aussies racist (Just like Hanuman and Spin Doctor)?????
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 21:56:01
by some (White) Australians because of the Sydeny fiasco. This also led to an Cabbies strike. SO now shall we start calling all Aussies racist (Just like Hanuman and Spin Doctor)?????
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 21:56:01
I think I again need to go all over again on this skin colour issue. If a person finds another as not attractive due to skin colour, it is not racism. It is a personal choice. But if a person denies equal opportunity to a person because of skin colour, like you do not make a person President of a country because he/she has dark skin not because he/she lacks abilities, that is racism. In india, this never happens.
I would rather find it more hypocritical if anybody prefers people of african origin as sex partner but feels them useless otherwise. And I guess this is not very uncommon in many countries.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:13:34
I would rather find it more hypocritical if anybody prefers people of african origin as sex partner but feels them useless otherwise. And I guess this is not very uncommon in many countries.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:13:34
Hi No Argument,
Could you please post TaiT's figures for the 2007 world cup.I can't remember, can you?? (In the interest of balance may I suggest posting the "all-conquering" Indian bowl figure for that tournament tooo).
Hey it's 1 thing to run out of steam but another never to have had it for any period of significance.
Hummmmm, steam, when I think of steam, I think of beautiful old train rides in India. Hopefully when we tour next both teams can travel this way??
PS. Please don't make Symmo sit up the back.
PPS.Did India just lose a 1 day series at home and a test series in Australia to a "steamless, mediocre attack"?
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 22:17:53
Could you please post TaiT's figures for the 2007 world cup.I can't remember, can you?? (In the interest of balance may I suggest posting the "all-conquering" Indian bowl figure for that tournament tooo).
Hey it's 1 thing to run out of steam but another never to have had it for any period of significance.
Hummmmm, steam, when I think of steam, I think of beautiful old train rides in India. Hopefully when we tour next both teams can travel this way??
PS. Please don't make Symmo sit up the back.
PPS.Did India just lose a 1 day series at home and a test series in Australia to a "steamless, mediocre attack"?
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 22:17:53
Mr. PhotoHog, seems Aussies just migrated to Diesel engines, or probably electrical engines. But yup, please do come to India and I will take you on a steam engine ride. They still have it in some amusement parks for kids. You can ride on them.
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 22:27:04
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 22:27:04
Hahhaha PhotoHog - better be careful...
BTW general question why would the Lankans consider boycotting?
I mean we didnt even call Murali a chucker this time (yet) ?
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 22:29:26
BTW general question why would the Lankans consider boycotting?
I mean we didnt even call Murali a chucker this time (yet) ?
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 22:29:26
Hummmmm, steam, when I think of steam, I think of beautiful old train rides in India. Hopefully when we tour next both teams can travel this way??
Which decade did you travel by a steam engine? Most of main lines runs on electricity and rest all runs on diesel.... Now Mayor of London has come running to see Delhi metro to replicate the same back in his home country. You come next time and I'll take you for a ride in delhi metro and by palace of wheels after booking your ticket online debiting the charges directly from your bank accounts in Australia....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:30:59
Which decade did you travel by a steam engine? Most of main lines runs on electricity and rest all runs on diesel.... Now Mayor of London has come running to see Delhi metro to replicate the same back in his home country. You come next time and I'll take you for a ride in delhi metro and by palace of wheels after booking your ticket online debiting the charges directly from your bank accounts in Australia....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:30:59
ssukhdial and no argument - I would say most of the Aussies on this forum are just having a laugh...
Clearly Indian and Aussie senses of humour vary significantly, I have noticed on a few occassions certain bloggers getting riled up over pretty tongue and cheek remarks..
We all love cricket here - bring on the ODI series and an Aus vs India final (unless Murali can do something bout it)
Sreesanth bowling to Symonds and 4 to win off the last ball...
The ball is smashed out to deep mid wicket will Bhajji, who is under it, catch it, will he fall over the rope or will he spill it?
Lets hope the games are good - last time the triangular series will be seen out here...
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 22:34:20
Clearly Indian and Aussie senses of humour vary significantly, I have noticed on a few occassions certain bloggers getting riled up over pretty tongue and cheek remarks..
We all love cricket here - bring on the ODI series and an Aus vs India final (unless Murali can do something bout it)
Sreesanth bowling to Symonds and 4 to win off the last ball...
The ball is smashed out to deep mid wicket will Bhajji, who is under it, catch it, will he fall over the rope or will he spill it?
Lets hope the games are good - last time the triangular series will be seen out here...
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 22:34:20
Hey ssukhdial & No Argument,
the steam train thing was just a joke, kinda to go with your "outta-steam-Tait" analogy. seems I struck a raw nerve though,? Kinda like callin' a black man a monkey hey?
Which decade did you travel by a steam engine? Most of main lines runs on electricity and rest all runs on diesel.... Now Mayor of London has come running to see Delhi metro to replicate the same back in his home country. You come next time and I'll take you for a ride in delhi metro and by palace of wheels after booking your ticket online debiting the charges directly from your bank accounts in Australia....
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Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:30:59
Well look at that, you gone and got all grown up on me, ha ha.
PS. I did catch a steam train in India once but I also caught 1 in England and USA and Australia. Can't remember their countrymen getting so defence when I mentioned it to them tho' What's going on there?
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 22:46:22
the steam train thing was just a joke, kinda to go with your "outta-steam-Tait" analogy. seems I struck a raw nerve though,? Kinda like callin' a black man a monkey hey?
Which decade did you travel by a steam engine? Most of main lines runs on electricity and rest all runs on diesel.... Now Mayor of London has come running to see Delhi metro to replicate the same back in his home country. You come next time and I'll take you for a ride in delhi metro and by palace of wheels after booking your ticket online debiting the charges directly from your bank accounts in Australia....
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Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:30:59
Well look at that, you gone and got all grown up on me, ha ha.
PS. I did catch a steam train in India once but I also caught 1 in England and USA and Australia. Can't remember their countrymen getting so defence when I mentioned it to them tho' What's going on there?
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 22:46:22
Lets hope the games are good - last time the triangular series will be seen out here...
Why is it last time? I didn't get it....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:47:03
Why is it last time? I didn't get it....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:47:03
"Could you please post TaiT's figures for the 2007 world cup.I can't remember, can you?? (In the interest of balance may I suggest posting the "all-conquering" Indian bowl figure for that tournament tooo)."
Whatever be the bowling figure, here we see a Titan retiring from cricket before even he started to get going.....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:52:37
Whatever be the bowling figure, here we see a Titan retiring from cricket before even he started to get going.....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 22:52:37
Sorry for the delay, I was doing google image searches for those ladies No Argument posted.
My research, I'm sure you will be interested to find, found that none of them were "dark".
All of them were however very easy on the eye.
Our respective definitions of 'dark' obviously differs. Given I only know dark, wheatish and fair, I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
Ssukhdial, did I claim all Indians were racist? I think I was just pointing out racism does exist in India as it does in all countries.
"BTW Hanuman and No Argument you are both complete muppets - India is the largest democracy in the world, and while not being perfect is an amazing place..." - Ace
Simmer down Ace, read my posts and then offer your apologies for going off half cocked.
Or I'll sic Ice, Mav and Goose on you.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 22:55:39
My research, I'm sure you will be interested to find, found that none of them were "dark".
All of them were however very easy on the eye.
Our respective definitions of 'dark' obviously differs. Given I only know dark, wheatish and fair, I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
Ssukhdial, did I claim all Indians were racist? I think I was just pointing out racism does exist in India as it does in all countries.
"BTW Hanuman and No Argument you are both complete muppets - India is the largest democracy in the world, and while not being perfect is an amazing place..." - Ace
Simmer down Ace, read my posts and then offer your apologies for going off half cocked.
Or I'll sic Ice, Mav and Goose on you.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 22:55:39
For me the most Unpalatable aspect of this whole Monkey "saag" ga is Sachin's behaviour. This is a man I always respected but now I know he's most likely lied to save his mates ass. I do respect this to in some situations but not if it condone racism. Same as if my brother rapes, he's gotta go like ever1 else and I'll be 1st in line to put the noose around his neck.
A lot of Australians are racist as are a lot of Indians. The Australians and Indians who aren't racist are probably more alike than their racist compatriots. Maybe we should start a cricket team (I sound like a hippie?).
PS. can't be bothered looking, but some1 suggested that 3 different religious groups in a team proves an absence of racism. For me an orange kid playing in a team with a purple kid doesn't dispel racism. Note: this is not aimed at India or Australia, It's just general chatter.
PPS. I still LOve Sachin as a cricketer.
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 22:59:48
A lot of Australians are racist as are a lot of Indians. The Australians and Indians who aren't racist are probably more alike than their racist compatriots. Maybe we should start a cricket team (I sound like a hippie?).
PS. can't be bothered looking, but some1 suggested that 3 different religious groups in a team proves an absence of racism. For me an orange kid playing in a team with a purple kid doesn't dispel racism. Note: this is not aimed at India or Australia, It's just general chatter.
PPS. I still LOve Sachin as a cricketer.
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 22:59:48
Gems from the judgment.
"[9] As a consequence Mr Jordan called those witness who signed the agreed statement other than Mr Gilchrist who was unwell, to give evidence of their recollection of what occurred." - Judgment of Justice John Hansen (Kiwi nuff said)
$10 says it was a hangover.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 23:00:29
"[9] As a consequence Mr Jordan called those witness who signed the agreed statement other than Mr Gilchrist who was unwell, to give evidence of their recollection of what occurred." - Judgment of Justice John Hansen (Kiwi nuff said)
$10 says it was a hangover.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 23:00:29
My research, I'm sure you will be interested to find, found that none of them were "dark".
All of them are "dark". You will not see that on photos. You need to see in person.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:03:04
All of them are "dark". You will not see that on photos. You need to see in person.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:03:04
I'd love to.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 23:06:36
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 23:06:36
"For me the most Unpalatable aspect of this whole Monkey "saag" ga is Sachin's behaviour. This is a man I always respected but now I know he's most likely lied to save his mates ass."
I am always amazed at the media influence whenever I come on blog. The difference in perspective most of the time originates from different feed received from respective nation. This is true in case of most of the international issues.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:09:41
I am always amazed at the media influence whenever I come on blog. The difference in perspective most of the time originates from different feed received from respective nation. This is true in case of most of the international issues.
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:09:41
The essence of the Judgment.
http://inhome.rediff.com/cricket/2008/jan/30report.htm
[48] As I say the standard to be applied by me is a high one I have to be sure that the words were said. That they were probably said is insufficient. I have not been persuaded to the necessary level required that the words were said. I am not sure they were. I am left with an honest uncertainty as to whether or not they were said given the possibility of misunderstanding through different languages, accents and cultures, and the fact that none of the Australian players appeared to hear any other words said by Mr Singh. It is quite apparent on any view of the evidence that more than the alleged words were said in the course of the exchange.
[49] The video evidence and the stump microphone do not take the matter much further. They certainly pick up some words and appear to include, although this is not conclusive, Mr Symonds saying "are you calling me a monkey". There are also words from Mr Hayden to the effect that "it doesn't matter mate it's racial vilification mate it's a shit word and you know it". But they do not assist in any way in determining what Mr Singh himself said. Nor can his response to Mr Symonds or Mr Hayden be gauged. What is apparent when umpire Benson put the issues to him he immediately denied them.
[50] Accordingly, I am not satisfied that it has been established to the requisite very high standard that the words were said and on that basis a charge under 3.3 is not made out.
Standard of proof:
[33] Accordingly, I propose to adopt the standard of proof set out in 4.1 of the Anti-Doping Code as applicable to offences alleged to have occurred under the Code of Conduct. That means it is a standard between the civil standard of the balance of probabilities and the criminal standard of beyond reasonable doubt.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 23:11:23
http://inhome.rediff.com/cricket/2008/jan/30report.htm
[48] As I say the standard to be applied by me is a high one I have to be sure that the words were said. That they were probably said is insufficient. I have not been persuaded to the necessary level required that the words were said. I am not sure they were. I am left with an honest uncertainty as to whether or not they were said given the possibility of misunderstanding through different languages, accents and cultures, and the fact that none of the Australian players appeared to hear any other words said by Mr Singh. It is quite apparent on any view of the evidence that more than the alleged words were said in the course of the exchange.
[49] The video evidence and the stump microphone do not take the matter much further. They certainly pick up some words and appear to include, although this is not conclusive, Mr Symonds saying "are you calling me a monkey". There are also words from Mr Hayden to the effect that "it doesn't matter mate it's racial vilification mate it's a shit word and you know it". But they do not assist in any way in determining what Mr Singh himself said. Nor can his response to Mr Symonds or Mr Hayden be gauged. What is apparent when umpire Benson put the issues to him he immediately denied them.
[50] Accordingly, I am not satisfied that it has been established to the requisite very high standard that the words were said and on that basis a charge under 3.3 is not made out.
Standard of proof:
[33] Accordingly, I propose to adopt the standard of proof set out in 4.1 of the Anti-Doping Code as applicable to offences alleged to have occurred under the Code of Conduct. That means it is a standard between the civil standard of the balance of probabilities and the criminal standard of beyond reasonable doubt.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-01-30 23:11:23
Sorry Ace. Last ball, 4 runs required, Hussey facing, Sreesanth balls, Hussey slogs it towards, deep midwicket, Raina takes a superb catch near the boundary. India win. Sounds music to my ears.
On a serious note, I really doubt the Indian batting lineup. Lemme Sum up My views on our Batting lineup.
Sehwag might perform in 1 or 2 games out of 11. Sorry but not good. He has hardly done well in 1 dayers.
Tendulkar: He will not be able to play freely because of the pressure of an inexperienced batting lineup.
Ghambir: Have doubts about his offside play. Has a habit of snicking one when bowlers are bowling across him.
Rohit Sharma: He can do well as he has a good technique, but has had a run of poor form in this domestic season.
Manoj Tewari: Haven't seen him but has scored a huge amount of runs in the domestic season. Can he cope with the extra bounce, still remains to be seen.
Suresh Raina: He was the find some seasons back. He had a cool head and was a finisher, something like Bevan or Hussey. Even Guru Greg called him a complete player. But had problems with short balls before he was dropped.
Robin Utthapa: Can be more dangerous than Afridi and Jayasuria on his day. I remeber, once he had opened with 10dulkar. After 5 overs, India was 25 odd runs for no loss and after 10 India was 95 for no loss. However he seems to be only good of the front foot.
Dhoni: Is a good tailender.
However the feilding standards will be very high.
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 23:12:38
On a serious note, I really doubt the Indian batting lineup. Lemme Sum up My views on our Batting lineup.
Sehwag might perform in 1 or 2 games out of 11. Sorry but not good. He has hardly done well in 1 dayers.
Tendulkar: He will not be able to play freely because of the pressure of an inexperienced batting lineup.
Ghambir: Have doubts about his offside play. Has a habit of snicking one when bowlers are bowling across him.
Rohit Sharma: He can do well as he has a good technique, but has had a run of poor form in this domestic season.
Manoj Tewari: Haven't seen him but has scored a huge amount of runs in the domestic season. Can he cope with the extra bounce, still remains to be seen.
Suresh Raina: He was the find some seasons back. He had a cool head and was a finisher, something like Bevan or Hussey. Even Guru Greg called him a complete player. But had problems with short balls before he was dropped.
Robin Utthapa: Can be more dangerous than Afridi and Jayasuria on his day. I remeber, once he had opened with 10dulkar. After 5 overs, India was 25 odd runs for no loss and after 10 India was 95 for no loss. However he seems to be only good of the front foot.
Dhoni: Is a good tailender.
However the feilding standards will be very high.
Posted by ssukhdial on 2008-01-30 23:12:38
My take:
1. Rohit Sharma will really really be a surprize package. I was really impressed the way he played few matches. When the biggies failed, it was Rohit under tremendous pressure performed exceptionally well. A cool cat...
2. Suresh Raina will be a tough nut to crack, be it batting or fielding.
3. Dhoni will sparkle in one day format unlike test.
4. My take on Sehwag is that he will succeed in at least 50% matches and that's enough.
5. Yuvi will come back very strongly and make the depleted aussie attack look like a pedestrian.
6. Sree Santh will invariably tease top order aussie batsmen
7. After Sree Santh's teasing, Bhajji will pluck them nicely
8. Gambhir will be consistent in later part of the series.
9. Add Tendulkar, Ishant and others, it would be very difficult for the aussies...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:28:27
1. Rohit Sharma will really really be a surprize package. I was really impressed the way he played few matches. When the biggies failed, it was Rohit under tremendous pressure performed exceptionally well. A cool cat...
2. Suresh Raina will be a tough nut to crack, be it batting or fielding.
3. Dhoni will sparkle in one day format unlike test.
4. My take on Sehwag is that he will succeed in at least 50% matches and that's enough.
5. Yuvi will come back very strongly and make the depleted aussie attack look like a pedestrian.
6. Sree Santh will invariably tease top order aussie batsmen
7. After Sree Santh's teasing, Bhajji will pluck them nicely
8. Gambhir will be consistent in later part of the series.
9. Add Tendulkar, Ishant and others, it would be very difficult for the aussies...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:28:27
No Argument,
I couldn't convict him in a criminal court as there is reasonable doubt, hence the "most likely lied" BUT if it was trialled in a civil court IMHO Harbie could go down. If you really look at it in it's entirety (what came before it to) and with an open mind all the smart money's on he said it, everything points to it But as many have pointed out on this blog it hasn't been proven beyond doubt. But hey, OJ got of tooo. Besides we'll never know because it's been made to political. Maybe if it happen in Melbourne and not in Sydney on top of everything else that went on there we could got a fair hearing? After the Sydney fiasco that just wasn't possible.
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 23:30:47
I couldn't convict him in a criminal court as there is reasonable doubt, hence the "most likely lied" BUT if it was trialled in a civil court IMHO Harbie could go down. If you really look at it in it's entirety (what came before it to) and with an open mind all the smart money's on he said it, everything points to it But as many have pointed out on this blog it hasn't been proven beyond doubt. But hey, OJ got of tooo. Besides we'll never know because it's been made to political. Maybe if it happen in Melbourne and not in Sydney on top of everything else that went on there we could got a fair hearing? After the Sydney fiasco that just wasn't possible.
Posted by PhotoHog on 2008-01-30 23:30:47
When I see the bench strength of india, I wonder why australia is not trying to do the same. How many more years you can flog the beaten horse by forcing them to play test, one day and T20, all the formats when they are counting their playing days? It is not the sparkling glory of a mid-noon sun but the red incandescence of a setting sun....
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:36:25
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-30 23:36:25
Hanuman - stop being a Monkey God mate...
I dont expect much from Indias batting lineup in the ODIs - though the bowling looks awesome..
Ishant Sharma has to be the best 19 yr old bowler I have ever heard of - lets hope for Indian and world cricket he develops properly and doesnt play too many T20 and ODIs...
What is wrong with the BCCI why do they make their team play so many ODIs and useless matches - Sachin apparently has never scored 500 runs in a Test series?
BTW at the World Cup this year - Went to Bangladesh vs. Ireland was meant to be India v Pak - guess what the largely Indian dominated crowd was chanting throughout the game ?
"Sachin, Sachin, Sachin"
Unfortunately he was nowhere to be seen...
I hope the next World Cup is more competitive -1999 was probably the best...
Ssukhdial if your batting line up is shaky you guys might not make the finals of the comp.
Is Dhoni the real deal - he looked pretty average in the test series mate...
Will be good to see Hadds take it to another level - hope he plays as a specialist bat for some of the games...
Anyone catch the PM XIs game?
Thoughts on the Lankans?
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 23:37:29
I dont expect much from Indias batting lineup in the ODIs - though the bowling looks awesome..
Ishant Sharma has to be the best 19 yr old bowler I have ever heard of - lets hope for Indian and world cricket he develops properly and doesnt play too many T20 and ODIs...
What is wrong with the BCCI why do they make their team play so many ODIs and useless matches - Sachin apparently has never scored 500 runs in a Test series?
BTW at the World Cup this year - Went to Bangladesh vs. Ireland was meant to be India v Pak - guess what the largely Indian dominated crowd was chanting throughout the game ?
"Sachin, Sachin, Sachin"
Unfortunately he was nowhere to be seen...
I hope the next World Cup is more competitive -1999 was probably the best...
Ssukhdial if your batting line up is shaky you guys might not make the finals of the comp.
Is Dhoni the real deal - he looked pretty average in the test series mate...
Will be good to see Hadds take it to another level - hope he plays as a specialist bat for some of the games...
Anyone catch the PM XIs game?
Thoughts on the Lankans?
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 23:37:29
No Argument I am sure I have called you as one-eyed as Captain Blue-beard before...
It remains to be seen how strong your bench strength is - I honestly havent seen anything too impressive from any of your younger batsmen - they all seem hit or miss mate...
This could be a real baptism of fire - shame Taiter decided to go home and cry - imagine him bowling like he did to the Kiwis to the Indians - now that would be some spicy masala...
Honestly, Australia might lose one game to Lanka at the SCG where Jayasuriya might get lucky and spank us all over the park - other than that dont see us losing...
Why isnt VVS in your one day team - I remember 4 yrs ago he made 3 ODI centuries in a week out here!
You got to pick the best team to give urselves a chance havent u learnt from picking Jaffer/Yuvi over Sehwag/Pathan
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 23:44:57
It remains to be seen how strong your bench strength is - I honestly havent seen anything too impressive from any of your younger batsmen - they all seem hit or miss mate...
This could be a real baptism of fire - shame Taiter decided to go home and cry - imagine him bowling like he did to the Kiwis to the Indians - now that would be some spicy masala...
Honestly, Australia might lose one game to Lanka at the SCG where Jayasuriya might get lucky and spank us all over the park - other than that dont see us losing...
Why isnt VVS in your one day team - I remember 4 yrs ago he made 3 ODI centuries in a week out here!
You got to pick the best team to give urselves a chance havent u learnt from picking Jaffer/Yuvi over Sehwag/Pathan
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-30 23:44:57
This racial charge against Bhajji is completely premeditated and predetermined on the part of Australian cricketers and Australian media and is a part of long planned conspiracy. More so with no evidence wot soever. I cant believe how the microphone could record everything except that word. Bullshit. Blame the BCCI as much as you want to because I equally hate them. Its so very weird that when Greg Chappel showed middle finger to a portion of crowd at Kolkata and no action was taken against him and how this time they came out all guns blazing and personified a "India" win. I cant get the crap how if at all "India" won this case. It was either Harbhajan was innocent or he wasnt.
But now if you have no proof against a particular individual and u start labeling him as a racist then thats absolutely not acceptable. Especially when the Australian media is portraying Harbhajan in such a poor light.
Its high time Bhajji files a personal defamation case.
Posted by Spin City on 2008-01-31 00:24:10
But now if you have no proof against a particular individual and u start labeling him as a racist then thats absolutely not acceptable. Especially when the Australian media is portraying Harbhajan in such a poor light.
Its high time Bhajji files a personal defamation case.
Posted by Spin City on 2008-01-31 00:24:10
The important thing everyone seems to forget is ... 2-1.
Australia won the important games. The ones where the pitch favoured a spinning game, India won one of the 2 dead rubbers.
Well played guys. The series is over, Australia won comfortably, get over it.
2-1.
Posted by MattyB on 2008-01-31 00:53:31
Australia won the important games. The ones where the pitch favoured a spinning game, India won one of the 2 dead rubbers.
Well played guys. The series is over, Australia won comfortably, get over it.
2-1.
Posted by MattyB on 2008-01-31 00:53:31
Oh, the other important statistic is:
Team Matches Points Rating
Australia 33 4650 141
India 38 4206 111
You beat us in one test and forced a draw in another, and only dropped our points from 143-141. Just proves how unimportant Indian cricket still is. sorry.
Posted by MattyB on 2008-01-31 00:58:17
Team Matches Points Rating
Australia 33 4650 141
India 38 4206 111
You beat us in one test and forced a draw in another, and only dropped our points from 143-141. Just proves how unimportant Indian cricket still is. sorry.
Posted by MattyB on 2008-01-31 00:58:17
a copy of Hansen’s judgment makes it clear that Symonds had no reason to get involved in the banter between Harbhajan and Brett Lee.
Harbhajan patted Lee during the Sydney Test and told him “well bowled”. Symonds misinterpreted this and thought Harbhajan was sledging Lee and he swore at the India spinner.
When Hansen asked Symonds whether he had an objection to Harbhajan patting Lee, the Australian player said: “Did I have an objection to it? My objection is that a Test match is no place to be friendly with the opposition player.”
Hansen replied: “I hope your view is not shared by all international cricketers—it would be a sad day for cricket if it is.”
Symonds admitted that Harbhajan was speaking in Hindi or Punjabi—a statement which backs the Indian team’s claim that the Australians had misunderstood what the spinner said.
Symonds also admitted that he broke an agreement he had with Harbhajan not to abuse each other. The two players had made the agreement after a sledging incident in India late last year.
Symonds had earlier alleged that Harbhajan had called him a “monkey”. Harbhajan insists that he abused Symonds in Hindi, which the Australian misinterpreted as monkey.
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-31 01:11:24
Harbhajan patted Lee during the Sydney Test and told him “well bowled”. Symonds misinterpreted this and thought Harbhajan was sledging Lee and he swore at the India spinner.
When Hansen asked Symonds whether he had an objection to Harbhajan patting Lee, the Australian player said: “Did I have an objection to it? My objection is that a Test match is no place to be friendly with the opposition player.”
Hansen replied: “I hope your view is not shared by all international cricketers—it would be a sad day for cricket if it is.”
Symonds admitted that Harbhajan was speaking in Hindi or Punjabi—a statement which backs the Indian team’s claim that the Australians had misunderstood what the spinner said.
Symonds also admitted that he broke an agreement he had with Harbhajan not to abuse each other. The two players had made the agreement after a sledging incident in India late last year.
Symonds had earlier alleged that Harbhajan had called him a “monkey”. Harbhajan insists that he abused Symonds in Hindi, which the Australian misinterpreted as monkey.
Posted by Cricket on 2008-01-31 01:11:24
"Perhaps you can explain what casteism is to your countrymen." -Honeymoon
LOL. geez coming from someone whose govt officially that classified human beings as flora and fauna , its really cheesecake-rich
Posted by dsylexic on 2008-01-31 01:15:46
LOL. geez coming from someone whose govt officially that classified human beings as flora and fauna , its really cheesecake-rich
Posted by dsylexic on 2008-01-31 01:15:46
India stands TALL in australia! Cheers guys.
Posted by Jatinder on 2008-01-31 02:14:45
Posted by Jatinder on 2008-01-31 02:14:45
Andrew,
If Aussies have to get their opponents convicted for a racial charge he needs to make sure of two things
1. Make sure it is a Racial abuse.
2. The Racial abuse from the rival should be unprovoked.
Its only these circumstances that any team can get a rival team player convicted for Racism
Posted by Nike on 2008-01-31 04:05:34
If Aussies have to get their opponents convicted for a racial charge he needs to make sure of two things
1. Make sure it is a Racial abuse.
2. The Racial abuse from the rival should be unprovoked.
Its only these circumstances that any team can get a rival team player convicted for Racism
Posted by Nike on 2008-01-31 04:05:34
australia lost 2 pts from 143 to 141 despite losing Perth and cheating in Sydney. Why are they still at 141 despite their bad form? Does the point system look at things other than cricket like cheating, lying while coming up with points?
Posted by australia_sucks on 2008-01-31 06:08:07
Posted by australia_sucks on 2008-01-31 06:08:07
can anyone explain how the poor animal "monkey" be termed as racist? and why is nobody talking of kicking out Andrew symonds out of the team for causing so much trouble. Australian team is getting the best treatment which was due for a long time. Hope other countries will learn soon and give some sledging tonic to the foul mouthed world champs.
Posted by indian on 2008-01-31 06:13:06
Posted by indian on 2008-01-31 06:13:06
Since when did the word "monkey" become a racial comment. It does not mean that by calling someone who is pestering you a monkey means you branded them inferior. Ask yourself what would you prefer to be called if you are being insulted a bastard or a monkey.
I know who is the monkey though: Peter Roebuck.
Posted by rgrover on 2008-01-31 07:29:45
I know who is the monkey though: Peter Roebuck.
Posted by rgrover on 2008-01-31 07:29:45
The monkey must be really offended with all this unfair comparision.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-31 08:17:05
Posted by Ravi on 2008-01-31 08:17:05
"Oh, the other important statistic is:
Team Matches Points Rating
Australia 33 4650 141
India 38 4206 111
You beat us in one test and forced a draw in another, and only dropped our points from 143-141. Just proves how unimportant Indian cricket still is. sorry."
After three drinks, am I reading it right? here we have a nasdaq guy counting every dollar.....LOL!!!
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-31 08:23:41
Team Matches Points Rating
Australia 33 4650 141
India 38 4206 111
You beat us in one test and forced a draw in another, and only dropped our points from 143-141. Just proves how unimportant Indian cricket still is. sorry."
After three drinks, am I reading it right? here we have a nasdaq guy counting every dollar.....LOL!!!
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-31 08:23:41
"ssukhdial and no argument - I would say most of the Aussies on this forum are just having a laugh...
Clearly Indian and Aussie senses of humour vary significantly, I have noticed on a few occassions certain bloggers getting riled up over pretty tongue and cheek remarks.." - Ace
"Hey ssukhdial & No Argument,
the steam train thing was just a joke, kinda to go with your "outta-steam-Tait" analogy. seems I struck a raw nerve though,? Kinda like callin' a black man a monkey hey?" - Photohog
You come next time and I'll take you for a ride in delhi metro and by palace of wheels after booking your ticket online debiting the charges directly from your bank accounts in Australia....No Argument
Could you not see through "my sense of humour"?We really have different sense of humour. But somehow this is not sounding very unfamiliar to me.."you tell something silly, get caught off guard and then say - Oh I was joking!!! you didn't get it..."
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-31 08:42:10
Clearly Indian and Aussie senses of humour vary significantly, I have noticed on a few occassions certain bloggers getting riled up over pretty tongue and cheek remarks.." - Ace
"Hey ssukhdial & No Argument,
the steam train thing was just a joke, kinda to go with your "outta-steam-Tait" analogy. seems I struck a raw nerve though,? Kinda like callin' a black man a monkey hey?" - Photohog
You come next time and I'll take you for a ride in delhi metro and by palace of wheels after booking your ticket online debiting the charges directly from your bank accounts in Australia....No Argument
Could you not see through "my sense of humour"?We really have different sense of humour. But somehow this is not sounding very unfamiliar to me.."you tell something silly, get caught off guard and then say - Oh I was joking!!! you didn't get it..."
Posted by No Argument on 2008-01-31 08:42:10
If Harbhajan didn't say anything bad, why did he plead guilty to "offensive language"?
Posted by Harry on 2008-01-31 09:20:16
Posted by Harry on 2008-01-31 09:20:16
MattyB - I fail to see how Perth was a dead rubber and also how 2-1 is a comprehensive victory margin?
It was the thinnest of series victories - 8 mins to be precise...
We did get more than an ounce of luck in Sydney - but India, regardless fo what happened, should have been able to bat 2 sessions...
I am glad there werent more seaming and swinging wickets - we might have lost especially the way India swung the ball in Perth...
I think we can beat India on slower tracks these days because we have developed the ability to strangle and choke their batsmen, who are 4 hitters and not workers of the ball (exception being Tendulkar and Sehwag)
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-31 09:55:57
It was the thinnest of series victories - 8 mins to be precise...
We did get more than an ounce of luck in Sydney - but India, regardless fo what happened, should have been able to bat 2 sessions...
I am glad there werent more seaming and swinging wickets - we might have lost especially the way India swung the ball in Perth...
I think we can beat India on slower tracks these days because we have developed the ability to strangle and choke their batsmen, who are 4 hitters and not workers of the ball (exception being Tendulkar and Sehwag)
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-31 09:55:57
Poor old Ravi. Wonder when his day pass expires?
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-31 10:15:21
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-31 10:15:21
wasnt that on racial/regional lines? u showed ur true colours mate. u not only have let urself down but also ur fellow mates here. buy a mask and hide ur face.
Nothing to do with racial lines mate. You don't have to be dark skinned to post daft, unjustified comments. you're too easy to wind up. Call me a regionalist, though...
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-31 10:19:09
Nothing to do with racial lines mate. You don't have to be dark skinned to post daft, unjustified comments. you're too easy to wind up. Call me a regionalist, though...
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-31 10:19:09
Ace, a dead rubber is a game that has no bearing on the series outcome. Ergo, Perth. Not to say India didn't deserve the win, but the statement is still correct.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-31 10:20:35
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-01-31 10:20:35
Jarad
Correct me if I am wrong but before the Perth Test we were leading a 4 Test series 2 - 0, my rudimentary understanding of mathematics tells me to WIN the series we needed to win or draw in Perth to relegate Adelaide to being a dead-rubber..
I didnt know that the Australian cricket team didnt care about winning the series and was only trying to retain the Border Gavaskar Trophy...
There were no dead-rubbers in the series which is what made it the best series since Ashes 2005...
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-31 11:36:24
Correct me if I am wrong but before the Perth Test we were leading a 4 Test series 2 - 0, my rudimentary understanding of mathematics tells me to WIN the series we needed to win or draw in Perth to relegate Adelaide to being a dead-rubber..
I didnt know that the Australian cricket team didnt care about winning the series and was only trying to retain the Border Gavaskar Trophy...
There were no dead-rubbers in the series which is what made it the best series since Ashes 2005...
Posted by Ace on 2008-01-31 11:36:24
jaradevans,
Nice to hear back from you after that brief lull of introspection.
BTW, interesting to see Judge Hansen's report where he blasts Symonds for starting all this monkey business (a backfired mind game in my opinion).
Nice to hear back from you after that brief lull of introspection.
BTW, interesting to see Judge Hansen's report where he blasts Symonds for starting all this monkey business (a backfired mind game in my opinion).