Andrew Symonds vs streaker
I missed the video footage of Andrew Symond's demolishing the Brisbane streaker like a flighted Piyush Chawla legspinner. Where would the blogosphere be without YouTube?
| Posted by JC on Wed 5 Mar |  69 comments |
Even under rugby league rules, that's a grade 1 offence (careless charge). Wonder if he's got points carried over?
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 12:22:12
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 12:22:12
Hey the other guy swung first.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-05 12:23:44
Posted by TA on 2008-03-05 12:23:44
sh1thouse attempt at a side step. probably a rabbitoh supporter.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 12:45:12
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 12:45:12
Good thing cricket season just ended - the rugby league NRL season starts the weekend after next. Roy would make a great lock for the Broncos.
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 12:48:23
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 12:48:23
Grade 1 offence? Pffft.
Text book shoulder charge.
No points though without the follow up tackle.
Wayne Bennett would be shaking his head with disappointment.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 12:57:52
Text book shoulder charge.
No points though without the follow up tackle.
Wayne Bennett would be shaking his head with disappointment.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 12:57:52
$9,000 fine to become eternally famous.
Priceless.
Pure gold!
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 13:04:03
Priceless.
Pure gold!
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 13:04:03
If streaking is a grab for 15 minutes of fame, you can't go any better than this guy. Usually Channel 9 don't show any footage of the streaker. In this case, he got tackled by an Australian cricketer so they show long, lingering close shots with his tackle flying around.
I'm not helping either, blogging about it :-)
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 13:28:37
I'm not helping either, blogging about it :-)
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 13:28:37
Only a $1,500 fine.
Fantastic value.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 14:02:42
Fantastic value.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 14:02:42
...and a night in the Watch House.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 14:04:02
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 14:04:02
Hmm, $1500 fine. I reckon if I painted cricket-blog.com across my chest and back then ran naked across the Gabba and got pole-axed by Andrew Symonds would be totally worth the $1500 fee. National TV coverage + YouTube word of mouth. Cheap advertising, I say.
Of course the medical bills might add to the expenses substantially.
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 15:08:09
Of course the medical bills might add to the expenses substantially.
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 15:08:09
We'll start a collection JC. By next summer, I reckon we'll have enough to put you up to it.
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 15:55:52
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 15:55:52
any symonds fan here? (though i doubt it). here is a look at his image overseas. too bad that one bad fish is making the whole pond to smell. i like the aussie cricket, but hey, don't ask me about this guy. i believe everyone needs to be aware of his reputation.
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/popupvideo/2787162.cms
Posted by anurag on 2008-03-05 16:39:37
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/popupvideo/2787162.cms
Posted by anurag on 2008-03-05 16:39:37
First of all, to make myself clear, I am not mocking anyone or trying to insult anyone. I am just curious.
People around the world use animal names lightly during confrontation all the time. For example, he is an ass, he eats like a pig, he is a dog, he is monckeying around etc. So whats the big deal about the whole monkey issue.
I mean I am seriously curious to know why is it considered racist and why is it such a big issue. Can someone please explain.
Posted by AC on 2008-03-05 17:04:22
People around the world use animal names lightly during confrontation all the time. For example, he is an ass, he eats like a pig, he is a dog, he is monckeying around etc. So whats the big deal about the whole monkey issue.
I mean I am seriously curious to know why is it considered racist and why is it such a big issue. Can someone please explain.
Posted by AC on 2008-03-05 17:04:22
jarradevans, here's the various costs if I wanted to take up a collection to go streaking at the Gabba:
Cost of admission: $35.00
Fine for streaking: $1500.00
Psychological scars from 30,000 people laughing at my exposed tackle: Priceless
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 17:33:09
Cost of admission: $35.00
Fine for streaking: $1500.00
Psychological scars from 30,000 people laughing at my exposed tackle: Priceless
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 17:33:09
Put me down for $100.
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 17:51:16
Posted by Hanuman on 2008-03-05 17:51:16
Just saw an interview on the news with the streaker. A reporter asked if he was considering legal action against Roy. He replied "nah, wake up to yourself!"
I like that guy.
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 18:03:55
I like that guy.
Posted by JC on 2008-03-05 18:03:55
Good attitude by the streaker, if this happened in America, Symonds would be spending the next 5 years in legal action.
JC just let me know when you are doing it, so I can follow it on the radio.....
Posted by Andrew on 2008-03-05 18:49:51
JC just let me know when you are doing it, so I can follow it on the radio.....
Posted by Andrew on 2008-03-05 18:49:51
I'm wondering whether a policeman's hat would suffice JC? Since you'll have had about 25 plastic pots, you wont care about it until the next morning anyway...
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 20:05:30
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-05 20:05:30
Had a great day at the cricket yesterday with a bunch of mates.First time I've been to live cricket. Pity the most exciting cricket action was tandulka's innings.(yes Simons sholder charge aside) Was hoping the highlite would be Gilly,s last preformance at the Gabba for Australia. Wonder if Cricket Australia will realise that dificulty selling tickets has nothing to do with advertising and more to do with the rediculous no tolarance policy and the discraceful thugary, intimidation and physical provocation to violence from QLD police I witnest from the back row.Unfortunatly even though I had a great day and a great view even from the last row I don't think I'll return for fear of being ejected from the ground and potentialy pushed down the stairs for little more than standing up and cheering too loudly. Would love to have my opinion taken seriosly but I'm sure even though I did not drink that people will see this as another drunken winge but I say take a view from the back where you can see how some (not all) people are ejected for little more than having too much fun.
Posted by Tim on 2008-03-05 21:05:20
Posted by Tim on 2008-03-05 21:05:20
"any symonds fan here? (though i doubt it). here is a look at his image overseas. too bad that one bad fish is making the whole pond to smell. i like the aussie cricket, but hey, don't ask me about this guy. i believe everyone needs to be aware of his reputation.
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/popupvideo/2787162.cms"
I've never seen such a disgraceful media 'report' in my life. That video was discusting and give's India a very bad image.
Posted by Michael on 2008-03-06 00:12:26
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/popupvideo/2787162.cms"
I've never seen such a disgraceful media 'report' in my life. That video was discusting and give's India a very bad image.
Posted by Michael on 2008-03-06 00:12:26
Punished for what? For the sake of the game? Melodrama Bollywood style...
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-06 00:18:29
Posted by jaradevans on 2008-03-06 00:18:29
Punished for what? For the sake of the game? Melodrama Bollywood style...
Melodrama bollywood style is an understatement, what's happening around symonds is a pathetic display of jingoism at its worst... possibly akin to chest beating of middle aged caliphate. At the end of the day, it is only symonds and ponting who got affected by all controversey, Bhajji is cvompletely unsffected by it and he won every time. This is because behind the veil of "faked agression" of ponting and symonds there lies a very tender and vulnerable kid ready to cry at the first go... Bhajji will be unaffected even if the whole world is agianst him.. that's the way a sardar is.. they even take fight against african americans in the heart of US...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-03-06 04:10:34
Melodrama bollywood style is an understatement, what's happening around symonds is a pathetic display of jingoism at its worst... possibly akin to chest beating of middle aged caliphate. At the end of the day, it is only symonds and ponting who got affected by all controversey, Bhajji is cvompletely unsffected by it and he won every time. This is because behind the veil of "faked agression" of ponting and symonds there lies a very tender and vulnerable kid ready to cry at the first go... Bhajji will be unaffected even if the whole world is agianst him.. that's the way a sardar is.. they even take fight against african americans in the heart of US...
Posted by No Argument on 2008-03-06 04:10:34
I think Symonds was in the right to restrain the streakier like that. He shouldn’t face a punishment for defending himself.
Posted by Isaac on 2008-03-06 04:17:17
Posted by Isaac on 2008-03-06 04:17:17
symonds is a bad foul mouthed,sour loser....he cant take anything which goes against him... not that im supporting the streaker....the streaker deserved dt takedown but nt from symonds..rather the concerned authorities...symonds is a big joke rather a whole excuse on his own....harbhajan has the won the battle....demolished the 'oversized weed' and gt symo plum....wen symo got out to sharma he couldn take d fact that he sucks and sharma can get him out anytime anyday....conclusion : symonds is a great playre no doubt...but as an individual hes an arrogant sour puss.... and the aussies did bat second like someone said...theyd win if dey did...well im sorry you havent way to go india ....2 -0 !!
Posted by Anon on 2008-03-06 05:28:59
Posted by Anon on 2008-03-06 05:28:59
I don't see how you can criticise Symonds for what he did. If a huge naked man was running directly at me, well, actually, I'd scarper off for the nearest policeman. But if I was built like Symonds, I'd take steps to defend myself.
In fact, if it was me, I probably would've used the cricket bat :-)
Posted by JC on 2008-03-06 08:50:25
In fact, if it was me, I probably would've used the cricket bat :-)
Posted by JC on 2008-03-06 08:50:25
I loved sharma's reaction - he closed his eyes and turned his back, that is what I would do...
It took courage to do what Roy did ;)
To tackle a man ball and all
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-06 10:15:59
It took courage to do what Roy did ;)
To tackle a man ball and all
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-06 10:15:59
How funny is that Symonds video from India - what is with this whole grounded catches thing
They look like they are grounded catches but I know from experience it is almost impossible to tell on the video replays...
India is just as bad as Australia, appealing for balls that blatantly pitch outside leg and I have little doubt they would claim the same catches, if only they could catch them
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-06 10:22:34
They look like they are grounded catches but I know from experience it is almost impossible to tell on the video replays...
India is just as bad as Australia, appealing for balls that blatantly pitch outside leg and I have little doubt they would claim the same catches, if only they could catch them
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-06 10:22:34
i know facts are hard to digest when they are against your popular beliefs. everyone is entitled for their own opinion. in my opinion he is low on ethics and high in aggression. grounded catch was pretty obvious and i can't forget how many times he has nicked, given out but still not moved.
michael,
you don't like the video does not mean that india has done something wrong. it does not give them any bad image. you need to be more open to the facts.
ace,
my only purpose was to demonstrate that while everyone in australia is after bhaji's head, the fact of the matter is that symonds is not seen as an angel either in rest of the world. his aggresiveness and provocation skills are uncanny.
sorry to be the party spoiler, guys.
Posted by Anurag- on 2008-03-06 12:22:58
michael,
you don't like the video does not mean that india has done something wrong. it does not give them any bad image. you need to be more open to the facts.
ace,
my only purpose was to demonstrate that while everyone in australia is after bhaji's head, the fact of the matter is that symonds is not seen as an angel either in rest of the world. his aggresiveness and provocation skills are uncanny.
sorry to be the party spoiler, guys.
Posted by Anurag- on 2008-03-06 12:22:58
Pilfering that kind of video reflects poorly on you Anurag.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 12:40:08
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 12:40:08
TA,
may i know, why? this is the age of information and i felt like everyone should view it, and then they are entitled to their own opinion. i agreed with it. you are welcome to disagree with the report. that is how democracy works.
Posted by anurag- on 2008-03-06 12:55:31
may i know, why? this is the age of information and i felt like everyone should view it, and then they are entitled to their own opinion. i agreed with it. you are welcome to disagree with the report. that is how democracy works.
Posted by anurag- on 2008-03-06 12:55:31
Anurag,
My point is simply that India has no right to claim the moral high ground for anything, it seems rather hypocritic that video that's all.
I don't think anyone behaves well - even the celebration of the Indian team post winning the ODI series was akin to the Sydney Test celebration...
No one came out and slammed India for celebrating, I think it is just unfair for India to be pointing the finger at Aussie players - when these guys like Bhajji behave on par with them...
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-06 16:08:25
My point is simply that India has no right to claim the moral high ground for anything, it seems rather hypocritic that video that's all.
I don't think anyone behaves well - even the celebration of the Indian team post winning the ODI series was akin to the Sydney Test celebration...
No one came out and slammed India for celebrating, I think it is just unfair for India to be pointing the finger at Aussie players - when these guys like Bhajji behave on par with them...
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-06 16:08:25
Here are some other principles of a democratic society, Anurag.
Ethical journalism: journalism which adheres to the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, public accountability, and 'limitation of harm' (does less rather than more harm to the reputations of individuals).
Freedom against defamation: not having to suffer statements that make false claims, implied to be factual, but which harm the reputation of an individual; also, permission to engage in a legal action against others who make these claims.
The truth is this kind of rubbish is produced because it is sensationalist and because it sells. The really interesting question for me is why this stuff appeals to you.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 16:13:17
Ethical journalism: journalism which adheres to the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, public accountability, and 'limitation of harm' (does less rather than more harm to the reputations of individuals).
Freedom against defamation: not having to suffer statements that make false claims, implied to be factual, but which harm the reputation of an individual; also, permission to engage in a legal action against others who make these claims.
The truth is this kind of rubbish is produced because it is sensationalist and because it sells. The really interesting question for me is why this stuff appeals to you.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 16:13:17
TA,
it only appeals to me because of the way aussie media went after bhaji, despite no evidence. well, thats some creative, imaginative, speculative, marketable journalism right there by aussie media, and i am only glad to see it being matched else where.
Posted by anurag- on 2008-03-06 17:43:13
it only appeals to me because of the way aussie media went after bhaji, despite no evidence. well, thats some creative, imaginative, speculative, marketable journalism right there by aussie media, and i am only glad to see it being matched else where.
Posted by anurag- on 2008-03-06 17:43:13
Wouldn't it be more advisable to reject this kind of journalism altogether, wherever it takes place, in India or Australia? Wouldn't that be a better way of promoting understanding between Australians and Indians who throughout the summer have time and again demonstrated an inability to understand each other?
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 18:48:02
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 18:48:02
TA,
Lemme help you to a piece I came across in The Australian yesterday.
'Harbhajan Singh snuck out of the country early yesterday but promised he would return to taunt the locals another day.
"I love playing here and would want to be back," Harbhajan told Indian reporters. "It wasn't that everyone hated me here. Whenever I went out people would come and meet me. Maybe they liked me, but just that on the ground they supported the Australian team."'
While the second piece is a Fact, the first piece is an inference by the journalist. Do you call this ethical journalism?
Enough has happened this summer. While you might claim that the Indians have been the culprit, we have every right to claim the Aussies to be the one. What's funny is that there's evidence to support both sides' claim.
Now that everything has ended in a happy note, let's not bicker and leave all that's happened to cultural misunderstanding. Believe me that's the safest option. Pricking already hurt egos would not be a sensible thing to do. Ponting knows that.
I'm actually disappointed that JC or the other members have not come up with a parting post that reflects on this historic summer in the best possible way. After all, we have had some brilliant cricket played in all forms of the game.
Also would love a special post on Gilly - the greatest wicketkeeper batsman ever and more importantly a man who made friends wherever he went (unlike Symonds, Hayden :P).
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-06 19:05:53
Lemme help you to a piece I came across in The Australian yesterday.
'Harbhajan Singh snuck out of the country early yesterday but promised he would return to taunt the locals another day.
"I love playing here and would want to be back," Harbhajan told Indian reporters. "It wasn't that everyone hated me here. Whenever I went out people would come and meet me. Maybe they liked me, but just that on the ground they supported the Australian team."'
While the second piece is a Fact, the first piece is an inference by the journalist. Do you call this ethical journalism?
Enough has happened this summer. While you might claim that the Indians have been the culprit, we have every right to claim the Aussies to be the one. What's funny is that there's evidence to support both sides' claim.
Now that everything has ended in a happy note, let's not bicker and leave all that's happened to cultural misunderstanding. Believe me that's the safest option. Pricking already hurt egos would not be a sensible thing to do. Ponting knows that.
I'm actually disappointed that JC or the other members have not come up with a parting post that reflects on this historic summer in the best possible way. After all, we have had some brilliant cricket played in all forms of the game.
Also would love a special post on Gilly - the greatest wicketkeeper batsman ever and more importantly a man who made friends wherever he went (unlike Symonds, Hayden :P).
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-06 19:05:53
Zapper, did you actually read what you quoted here? If you did, and I'm presuming you did, and if you have a good grasp of the English language, which I'm presuming you do too, you would know that it is very dangerous to read too much into the first quote.
Considering the high profile Harbhajan Singh kept during his stay in Australia, to 'sneak out' of the country -- the phrase used here -- need not be strictly taken as a derogatory comment. It would certainly not be my choice of phrase, and I don't blame Indian fans for not liking it, but it can be also be read as a phrase used to refer to someone who has a high degree of notoriety attached to them making a quiet and cautious exit from the country. What is incorrect about that? Re the 'taunt' remark, I think that is a pretty accurate way to sum up the way Harbhajan has interacted with the crowd and the Australian team this summer. Commando roles, kangaroo leaps, shadow boxing, monkey impersonations, etc. Anyway, anyone who is familiar with Australia will know that the Australia newspaper is basically a rightwing rag. The SMH actually went the other way on this issue today and made the rather ludicrous claim (to my mind) that Australians will actually miss Harbhajan and will welcome him with open arms in the future. Maybe, but I doubt it.
Regardless, both of these papers have published articles that reflect their political standpoints but still adhere to certain ethical standards. The video Anurag drew our attention to earlier certainly didn't even try to reflect any values important to ethical journalism. If you are implying that the Symonds video somehow adheres to the same standards of ethical journalism as the Australian piece you quoted from above and therefore is more or less the same, I'm afraid the only conclusion I can reach is that your vision is heavily blinkered.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 20:44:08
Considering the high profile Harbhajan Singh kept during his stay in Australia, to 'sneak out' of the country -- the phrase used here -- need not be strictly taken as a derogatory comment. It would certainly not be my choice of phrase, and I don't blame Indian fans for not liking it, but it can be also be read as a phrase used to refer to someone who has a high degree of notoriety attached to them making a quiet and cautious exit from the country. What is incorrect about that? Re the 'taunt' remark, I think that is a pretty accurate way to sum up the way Harbhajan has interacted with the crowd and the Australian team this summer. Commando roles, kangaroo leaps, shadow boxing, monkey impersonations, etc. Anyway, anyone who is familiar with Australia will know that the Australia newspaper is basically a rightwing rag. The SMH actually went the other way on this issue today and made the rather ludicrous claim (to my mind) that Australians will actually miss Harbhajan and will welcome him with open arms in the future. Maybe, but I doubt it.
Regardless, both of these papers have published articles that reflect their political standpoints but still adhere to certain ethical standards. The video Anurag drew our attention to earlier certainly didn't even try to reflect any values important to ethical journalism. If you are implying that the Symonds video somehow adheres to the same standards of ethical journalism as the Australian piece you quoted from above and therefore is more or less the same, I'm afraid the only conclusion I can reach is that your vision is heavily blinkered.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-06 20:44:08
Yeah TA I have to agree on that - my vision is blinkered, may be even a billion's vision is blinkered. But not yours!
Forgive me for trying to protest, for your nation is an asylum run by lunatics.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-07 05:08:09
Forgive me for trying to protest, for your nation is an asylum run by lunatics.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-07 05:08:09
I'm sorry to have engaged in conversation with you Zapper. I have learnt my lesson now. There is such a thing as wasting youe time on certain people. I realise that now. Just enjoy your moment of national pride. Bask in its simplicity and exercise your supposed right to belligerency in its name. Just don't forget it will pass. And when it does, and the emptiness begins to set in, think about how why you are alone, no one likes you, and your name is like mud.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 11:48:19
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 11:48:19
Well, I don't blame anyone from Australia not to see anything wrong with their media, and I also don't get suprised by Indian media appealing to Indians. I think that is natural. Everyone has a soft corner for their nation. Thats what makes us human. Let's move on. I am already getting excited about an eventful October.
Posted by Anurag- on 2008-03-07 12:06:59
Posted by Anurag- on 2008-03-07 12:06:59
I don't think you get what I'm saying yet Anurag. I don't want to labor this point but I am not happy to settle the discussion by simply concluding that each country's media is equally biased towards their own citizenry and this is natural because all people are nationalistic. I don't believe this is the case at all. While no media agency can ever be perfectly objective some are better than others. Even within a country some media are more reliable than others. Also not everyone is equally nationalistic. One of the problems with India and India reportage over the summer has been their constant desire to fuel the nationalistic sentiment of a country in the throes of rapid economic development and a sense of self-importance. In its knee-jerk reaction to Indian nationalism, many sectors of the Australian press have also sucumbed to this sensationalistic garbage. But the majority of left-leaning newspapers in Australia have actually been quite balanced in their reporting including many critical comments about the Australian team and particularly the Australian captain even directly after the Sydney Test. Where has this critical voice been in the Indian press? Give me the links so I can go and read for myself.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 13:26:51
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 13:26:51
To be critical of what, TA?
Critical of the shadow boxing act? Wasn't it Hayden, a 37 year old veteran, asking Ishant Sharma, a 19 year old rookie, to join him in the ring? If you are making such silly statements, any act making a mockery of it is not a crime. Dont lose your sense of humour.
Kangaroo leaps? So Bhajji's not even allowed to jump, rite? Heard that he wasn't even allowed to wear his red turban because there were complains against it too. May be he was mocking a red australian national bird.
Thank you for the noble gesture of atleast allowing him to have his food.
Then, critical of the Harbhajan's monkey gesture and spit towards the crowd? Tell me honestly TA, do you actually believe it? Given the fictitious entries in your national dailies, you might actually believe it. Admit it mate, your dailies have been more dramatic than JK Rowling's books, this summer.
Thing is the Australians have been provocative all summer. Whenever the Indians paid back in the same coin, it became an issue. As you said there were condemnation of Aussie behaviour in your media. That tells 'whose fault it actually is.'
And dont digress from cricket related issues. India's economic rise is none of your concern. Your statements reek of jealousy. If you think you are wasting time replying me, you are most welcome not to reply.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-07 16:26:43
Critical of the shadow boxing act? Wasn't it Hayden, a 37 year old veteran, asking Ishant Sharma, a 19 year old rookie, to join him in the ring? If you are making such silly statements, any act making a mockery of it is not a crime. Dont lose your sense of humour.
Kangaroo leaps? So Bhajji's not even allowed to jump, rite? Heard that he wasn't even allowed to wear his red turban because there were complains against it too. May be he was mocking a red australian national bird.
Thank you for the noble gesture of atleast allowing him to have his food.
Then, critical of the Harbhajan's monkey gesture and spit towards the crowd? Tell me honestly TA, do you actually believe it? Given the fictitious entries in your national dailies, you might actually believe it. Admit it mate, your dailies have been more dramatic than JK Rowling's books, this summer.
Thing is the Australians have been provocative all summer. Whenever the Indians paid back in the same coin, it became an issue. As you said there were condemnation of Aussie behaviour in your media. That tells 'whose fault it actually is.'
And dont digress from cricket related issues. India's economic rise is none of your concern. Your statements reek of jealousy. If you think you are wasting time replying me, you are most welcome not to reply.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-07 16:26:43
Whether or not to reply to you is my perogative Zapper. You are the guest on this site, not me. I will play with you a little longer. You are starting to amuse me with these responses.
Oops, it appears I hit a raw nerve. India's economy is none of my concern, hey? Which world do you live in, Zapper? Perhaps you aren't aware of globalization?
So there is a link between India's economic rise and your strong feelings of nationalism, after all. But then again this is obvious when individual members of the Indian cricket team get huge million dollar payouts on return to their country after losing a test series and a twenty20 challenge. Yes, they won an ODI series but considering three forms of the game were played this summer, India still lost in two of them.
Zapper, the need to ask the question "To be critical of what?" reveals the true extent of your problem. In your skewed view of the world the problems Australia and India (cricket teams and fans alike) have encountered this season are ALL part of a big Aussie conspiracy. Arrogant Australian players, biased Austalian media, and a gullible, racist Australian public. The Indian players, especially Harbajhan, did nothing at all to warrant critical attention. The Indian media have just told it like it happened. And Indian cricket fans like yourself are no where near as gullible as your Australian counterparts.
It appears as if the lie you have swallowed in these assumptions is too big to digest. Spit it out. I suspect there may even be members of the BCCI who would disagree with you. And that is saying something.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 17:25:23
Oops, it appears I hit a raw nerve. India's economy is none of my concern, hey? Which world do you live in, Zapper? Perhaps you aren't aware of globalization?
So there is a link between India's economic rise and your strong feelings of nationalism, after all. But then again this is obvious when individual members of the Indian cricket team get huge million dollar payouts on return to their country after losing a test series and a twenty20 challenge. Yes, they won an ODI series but considering three forms of the game were played this summer, India still lost in two of them.
Zapper, the need to ask the question "To be critical of what?" reveals the true extent of your problem. In your skewed view of the world the problems Australia and India (cricket teams and fans alike) have encountered this season are ALL part of a big Aussie conspiracy. Arrogant Australian players, biased Austalian media, and a gullible, racist Australian public. The Indian players, especially Harbajhan, did nothing at all to warrant critical attention. The Indian media have just told it like it happened. And Indian cricket fans like yourself are no where near as gullible as your Australian counterparts.
It appears as if the lie you have swallowed in these assumptions is too big to digest. Spit it out. I suspect there may even be members of the BCCI who would disagree with you. And that is saying something.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 17:25:23
TA,
What a tragedy! First Harbhajan is accused of racism though Symonds provoked it. It was not important that Symonds was equally wrong in doing what he did and in general Aussie cricket team was whinging at that point.
But suddenly you deem that it is important to accuse Indian media of sensationalism because they were the ones who started it. Aussie media, the generally friendly, objective, left-leaning crappers are above criticism because they weren't the ones who started it.
Make up your mind TA. Aussie media was equally bullshit. And Indian media is not just a couple of newspapers like Aussies. There have been voices in the Indian press that condemned the Indian cricket team of not managing to hold on to two sessions in SCG test. It is just that the 'objective' Aussie media wants to report the sections that suit their story.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 17:34:09
What a tragedy! First Harbhajan is accused of racism though Symonds provoked it. It was not important that Symonds was equally wrong in doing what he did and in general Aussie cricket team was whinging at that point.
But suddenly you deem that it is important to accuse Indian media of sensationalism because they were the ones who started it. Aussie media, the generally friendly, objective, left-leaning crappers are above criticism because they weren't the ones who started it.
Make up your mind TA. Aussie media was equally bullshit. And Indian media is not just a couple of newspapers like Aussies. There have been voices in the Indian press that condemned the Indian cricket team of not managing to hold on to two sessions in SCG test. It is just that the 'objective' Aussie media wants to report the sections that suit their story.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 17:34:09
TA,
Smart people like Ponting read the writing on the wall; know their mistakes, applaud an opponent well deserving of victory in current series, and see what they can to improve their situation. Else, the game has a hard way of teaching it to them again, like it did now.
If you did a cursory review of Aussie media, except for a very few radical posts, majority have been congratulating the Indian team on a well deserved success on this tour.
No on thinks the one 20-20 game is of any significance, and even fewer think Australia has won the test series decisively. And we are not even talking of the umpiring in Sydney test here, which if it was fair, would have resulted in a drawn test.
For an Australia team that warned India of whitewash when leaving India last December, the results were a ODI finals whitewash, a just about victory in tests.
I am really surprised reading your invectives here. You seem to know better than Ponting, and a host of expert commentators & journalists.
Australia is a great team, not withstanding current loss of form. They deserve better fans!
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 18:13:48
Smart people like Ponting read the writing on the wall; know their mistakes, applaud an opponent well deserving of victory in current series, and see what they can to improve their situation. Else, the game has a hard way of teaching it to them again, like it did now.
If you did a cursory review of Aussie media, except for a very few radical posts, majority have been congratulating the Indian team on a well deserved success on this tour.
No on thinks the one 20-20 game is of any significance, and even fewer think Australia has won the test series decisively. And we are not even talking of the umpiring in Sydney test here, which if it was fair, would have resulted in a drawn test.
For an Australia team that warned India of whitewash when leaving India last December, the results were a ODI finals whitewash, a just about victory in tests.
I am really surprised reading your invectives here. You seem to know better than Ponting, and a host of expert commentators & journalists.
Australia is a great team, not withstanding current loss of form. They deserve better fans!
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 18:13:48
Indian, there is nothing for me to 'make my mind up' on. I have been consistent in my postings throughout. I'm afraid other writers have been the ones who have been squirming under close scrutiny. You, however, seem to suffer from poor skim reading skills or perhaps you just can't put the pieces together. Have you read through the whole thread? Perhaps you are defending the video link posted above?
I have simply made several observations that in no way contradict each other. Let me spell things out for you.
1. The video link posted above is atrocious
2. It stinks of a journalism with no ethical standards
3. You can't compare this video to The Australia article Zapper posted (for reasons stated above)
4. No all journalism is equally biased or nationalistic
5. There has been good journalism and bad journalism in Australia on this incident
6. Good journalism, particularly the left-leaning stuff in Australia, has tended to adopt a harsher line with the Australian team
7. There has been an absence of this same 'critical voice' in Indian reportage on the incidents involved in this series
8. Critical voices are important because only the most ignorant of human beings would ever assume that the behaviour of Indian players was exemplary this summer (for an 'objective' figure see the number of reports, fines, etc)
And an Indian press that "condemns the Indian cricket team of not managing to hold on to two sessions in SCG test" is not a critical voice Indian. Give me something critical about Harbhajan. Or Kumble's undiplomatic press conference at Sydney. Or the fact that the Indian team have been just as guilty for unsportsmanlike behaviour (excessive appealing, rude language, etc) as any other side this summer.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 18:33:06
I have simply made several observations that in no way contradict each other. Let me spell things out for you.
1. The video link posted above is atrocious
2. It stinks of a journalism with no ethical standards
3. You can't compare this video to The Australia article Zapper posted (for reasons stated above)
4. No all journalism is equally biased or nationalistic
5. There has been good journalism and bad journalism in Australia on this incident
6. Good journalism, particularly the left-leaning stuff in Australia, has tended to adopt a harsher line with the Australian team
7. There has been an absence of this same 'critical voice' in Indian reportage on the incidents involved in this series
8. Critical voices are important because only the most ignorant of human beings would ever assume that the behaviour of Indian players was exemplary this summer (for an 'objective' figure see the number of reports, fines, etc)
And an Indian press that "condemns the Indian cricket team of not managing to hold on to two sessions in SCG test" is not a critical voice Indian. Give me something critical about Harbhajan. Or Kumble's undiplomatic press conference at Sydney. Or the fact that the Indian team have been just as guilty for unsportsmanlike behaviour (excessive appealing, rude language, etc) as any other side this summer.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 18:33:06
Besides your comments on my quality as a Australian cricket fan, there are things I agree with you about here Ravi. Everyone knows Australian weren't convincing this summer. But India was????
The record books tell me that Australia beat India more times than India beat Australia this summer. They certainly didn't do it when it counted though and that is a big difference between the 'past' Aussie team and the present one. India won the ODI series though and that's all people will remember. Winning the trophy gives you the right to rewrite history in any damned way you want.
Perhaps Indian has 'ascended' as some writers have put it recently. But let me ask you, how many of the Indian players really earned those cash prizes they received yesterday? Surely the money should all go to Tendulkar.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 18:45:41
The record books tell me that Australia beat India more times than India beat Australia this summer. They certainly didn't do it when it counted though and that is a big difference between the 'past' Aussie team and the present one. India won the ODI series though and that's all people will remember. Winning the trophy gives you the right to rewrite history in any damned way you want.
Perhaps Indian has 'ascended' as some writers have put it recently. But let me ask you, how many of the Indian players really earned those cash prizes they received yesterday? Surely the money should all go to Tendulkar.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 18:45:41
Hoy,
TA. You are getting desperate to make your point now. Globalization??? What's that got to do with the argument?
So you think India's economic rise is due to globalization?? What a joke! What's Australian economic rise due to? Hard working Australians? No. Immigration...
It will serve you well to remember that Australia's policy is in line with the vision for their future.
Strong feelings of Nationalism is not due to economic rise as you so naively suggested. It doesn't even make sense. People like the country they are born in, normally.
And yeah, when you are free take an economics book and read about Globalization, and how it makes the western countries rich and not the developing ones. If anything, India and China is trying to fight off the hypocritical 'globalization' calls from the western world. And no, the world is not truly globalized. Especially Australia. Do you think Aussie govt. will allow an Indian car that cost $2500 and that passed the Euro standards for pollution to enter the Aussie market? Globalization is a myth. So you need to stop worrying about Indian Economy. It is more protectionist than you can imagine.
So left-leaning journalism is good now. Next thing you'll say Global Warming is real.
Do you remember Ponting suggesting after the SCG test that the only unsporting incident that happened was the one concerning Harbhajan? And when a neutral judge brushes off the complaint, the Australian media still wants to claim high moral ground and hound Harbhajan.
What about a great TV show by the name of "Aussie goes Bolly"? The host blabbers about crowds booing Symonds as if it has never happened anywhere. And dramatising it too.
Is it what gets your goat - the cash prizes? If that's how Indians want to react to their win, how's it any of anyone's business? It's not like its Australian taxpayers money that Indian cricket players are swindling.
There's nothing to argue here anyway. Both sides behaved poorly. Both of the country's national media reacted poorly. To claim a high moral ground is just inconsistent.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 19:24:19
TA. You are getting desperate to make your point now. Globalization??? What's that got to do with the argument?
So you think India's economic rise is due to globalization?? What a joke! What's Australian economic rise due to? Hard working Australians? No. Immigration...
It will serve you well to remember that Australia's policy is in line with the vision for their future.
Strong feelings of Nationalism is not due to economic rise as you so naively suggested. It doesn't even make sense. People like the country they are born in, normally.
And yeah, when you are free take an economics book and read about Globalization, and how it makes the western countries rich and not the developing ones. If anything, India and China is trying to fight off the hypocritical 'globalization' calls from the western world. And no, the world is not truly globalized. Especially Australia. Do you think Aussie govt. will allow an Indian car that cost $2500 and that passed the Euro standards for pollution to enter the Aussie market? Globalization is a myth. So you need to stop worrying about Indian Economy. It is more protectionist than you can imagine.
So left-leaning journalism is good now. Next thing you'll say Global Warming is real.
Do you remember Ponting suggesting after the SCG test that the only unsporting incident that happened was the one concerning Harbhajan? And when a neutral judge brushes off the complaint, the Australian media still wants to claim high moral ground and hound Harbhajan.
What about a great TV show by the name of "Aussie goes Bolly"? The host blabbers about crowds booing Symonds as if it has never happened anywhere. And dramatising it too.
Is it what gets your goat - the cash prizes? If that's how Indians want to react to their win, how's it any of anyone's business? It's not like its Australian taxpayers money that Indian cricket players are swindling.
There's nothing to argue here anyway. Both sides behaved poorly. Both of the country's national media reacted poorly. To claim a high moral ground is just inconsistent.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 19:24:19
Indian, your stupidity ended the discussion. Read again. Use dictionaries. And some common sense.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 19:33:49
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 19:33:49
Well then, I have achieved my objective. Don't forget to brush up on your economics though. It will help you get out of your fantasy land.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 19:44:11
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 19:44:11
TA,
I am trying to understand the bone of contention here: is it the India-Australia matches, or the fact that Indian players are getting awesome cash prizes. As you may agree with me, they are different matters. Lets not combine them.
I would like some money too, and we are on same team when we get frustrated about the riches Indian players get. Its ridiculous, but atleast fair in the sense that instead of BCCI hoarding all of it, it is going to the players who make BCCI rich.
But compared to rest of Indians, or apparently the Australian players, it looks unfair. But it is not a fair world, and none of our systems are perfect.
I am sure a homeless guy will be bitching about all the money Symo or Ponting makes, but who said life is fair. Look, even while on vacation, Shaun Tait makes $400,000.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 20:23:06
I am trying to understand the bone of contention here: is it the India-Australia matches, or the fact that Indian players are getting awesome cash prizes. As you may agree with me, they are different matters. Lets not combine them.
I would like some money too, and we are on same team when we get frustrated about the riches Indian players get. Its ridiculous, but atleast fair in the sense that instead of BCCI hoarding all of it, it is going to the players who make BCCI rich.
But compared to rest of Indians, or apparently the Australian players, it looks unfair. But it is not a fair world, and none of our systems are perfect.
I am sure a homeless guy will be bitching about all the money Symo or Ponting makes, but who said life is fair. Look, even while on vacation, Shaun Tait makes $400,000.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 20:23:06
Ravi,
There is not a 'bone of contention' between us as far as I can see it. Apart from the fact that you questioned my loyalty as a fan. :)
My disgust, made amply manifest on this thread, has been with the 'anti-Symonds' video which one may view at a link somewhere above. It is an atrocious example of 'journalism' and I take umbrage at any claim that 'the Australian press' has basically been doing the same thing all summer. My argument has been summarised in point form above and I won't go into again. I have repeatedly asked contributors to this blog to give me links to critical Indian journalism which also lambasts some ofthe excesses in the actions of certain Indian players. So far no one has helped on this front.
The money issue we are in agreeance on. It stinks but that is life. My question, however, was simply whether you thought the Indian side actually warranted it based on their performance. Basically, Australia won the test series and the twenty20 game. It also beat India 5-4 if you look at the total records of wins and losses for the summer. When you think about the amount of money being thrown at the players this week do you think it is justified? My take is that Tendulkar, Ishant, and Kumar basically sealed the finals series for India in the ODI and so probably deserve the lion's share of rewards. Tendulkar had a shocking test series though. Perhaps Dhoni and Ishant performed well in parts. Dhoni also had a shocking test series though.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 20:49:39
There is not a 'bone of contention' between us as far as I can see it. Apart from the fact that you questioned my loyalty as a fan. :)
My disgust, made amply manifest on this thread, has been with the 'anti-Symonds' video which one may view at a link somewhere above. It is an atrocious example of 'journalism' and I take umbrage at any claim that 'the Australian press' has basically been doing the same thing all summer. My argument has been summarised in point form above and I won't go into again. I have repeatedly asked contributors to this blog to give me links to critical Indian journalism which also lambasts some ofthe excesses in the actions of certain Indian players. So far no one has helped on this front.
The money issue we are in agreeance on. It stinks but that is life. My question, however, was simply whether you thought the Indian side actually warranted it based on their performance. Basically, Australia won the test series and the twenty20 game. It also beat India 5-4 if you look at the total records of wins and losses for the summer. When you think about the amount of money being thrown at the players this week do you think it is justified? My take is that Tendulkar, Ishant, and Kumar basically sealed the finals series for India in the ODI and so probably deserve the lion's share of rewards. Tendulkar had a shocking test series though. Perhaps Dhoni and Ishant performed well in parts. Dhoni also had a shocking test series though.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 20:49:39
TA,
As for India losing more ODI matches to Australia than the opposite until the finals, no team in the world expects to win leave alone decisively against Australia.
Its a flattering commentary to the invincible image that Australia enjoyed prior to this CB series. When an int'l team rarely wins against Aussies in the OZ, its a recognition of a great Aussie team they barely managed to beat.
The Aussie team is so good, even a win, marginal win is cherished. And a finals whitewash obviously is celebrated.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 20:49:45
As for India losing more ODI matches to Australia than the opposite until the finals, no team in the world expects to win leave alone decisively against Australia.
Its a flattering commentary to the invincible image that Australia enjoyed prior to this CB series. When an int'l team rarely wins against Aussies in the OZ, its a recognition of a great Aussie team they barely managed to beat.
The Aussie team is so good, even a win, marginal win is cherished. And a finals whitewash obviously is celebrated.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 20:49:45
Yes, but Australia got whitewashed by England in the ODI finals last year. And then by New Zealand in NZ a few months later. A few years back, even at its zenith, Australia even failed to qualify in the trinations held in Australia.
Paying homage where homage is due: Tendulkar. Ishant Sharma, and Praveen Kumar had an excellent ODI series. Particularly Tendulkar in the finals.
But I think the real key this summer is that the Indian press, the BCCI, and the Indian players cut the head of the giant. Punter fell victim to mental disintegration. Once the head came off the body fell. What I liked about the second final is that the body kept kicking for a very long time. I also discovered that Hussey doesn't quite have that Border-like quality I thought he did.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 21:01:28
Paying homage where homage is due: Tendulkar. Ishant Sharma, and Praveen Kumar had an excellent ODI series. Particularly Tendulkar in the finals.
But I think the real key this summer is that the Indian press, the BCCI, and the Indian players cut the head of the giant. Punter fell victim to mental disintegration. Once the head came off the body fell. What I liked about the second final is that the body kept kicking for a very long time. I also discovered that Hussey doesn't quite have that Border-like quality I thought he did.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 21:01:28
TA,
Punter was not in great form even before the Sydney test. He fell for Harbhajan repeatedly & then to Ishant Sharma. Maybe the controversy made it worse, but he was not burning the tarmac b4.
As for Punter being a victim of mental disintegration, the sad truth most folks do not realize is, "one who lives by the sword dies by the sword". Ppl think they can have it both ways, but it works only for short time. Once a small irritant comes thru, self destruct starts.
Few except hardcore Aussie fans believe that Punter never sledged or used bad gamesmanship in his "win at all costs" strategy. Bumped catches & bad attitude is for the world to see. So I don't buy your argument that Punter is a victim of a global conspiracy; maybe his own.
As to the BCCI pulling the plug on the tour, almost all test playing nations supported BCCI, including England. One needs to travel outside the Oz to understand Aussie image abroad, rather than doing the frog in the well act.
I am not saying BCCI is good, but there was justice in the international outrage felt after the Sydney test. On a watershed event like this or a Dr. Haneef's case in Australia, or a Guantanamo Bay situation, it is not easy to find press coverage supporting the aggressor.
But do not lose faith; here is article from an Indian dissing Indian team & board. For your reading pleasure :-)
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/talk/content/multimedia/329821.html?view=transcript
Another interesting & objective article about this series on lesson learnt for both is at
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/341273.html
I am not doubting your loyalty as Aussie fan, but asking to raise it to the enxt level. Be prepared to accept some bitter realities like Ponting. Its like how a bachelors & Masters graduate look at the same subject.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 21:22:52
Punter was not in great form even before the Sydney test. He fell for Harbhajan repeatedly & then to Ishant Sharma. Maybe the controversy made it worse, but he was not burning the tarmac b4.
As for Punter being a victim of mental disintegration, the sad truth most folks do not realize is, "one who lives by the sword dies by the sword". Ppl think they can have it both ways, but it works only for short time. Once a small irritant comes thru, self destruct starts.
Few except hardcore Aussie fans believe that Punter never sledged or used bad gamesmanship in his "win at all costs" strategy. Bumped catches & bad attitude is for the world to see. So I don't buy your argument that Punter is a victim of a global conspiracy; maybe his own.
As to the BCCI pulling the plug on the tour, almost all test playing nations supported BCCI, including England. One needs to travel outside the Oz to understand Aussie image abroad, rather than doing the frog in the well act.
I am not saying BCCI is good, but there was justice in the international outrage felt after the Sydney test. On a watershed event like this or a Dr. Haneef's case in Australia, or a Guantanamo Bay situation, it is not easy to find press coverage supporting the aggressor.
But do not lose faith; here is article from an Indian dissing Indian team & board. For your reading pleasure :-)
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/talk/content/multimedia/329821.html?view=transcript
Another interesting & objective article about this series on lesson learnt for both is at
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/341273.html
I am not doubting your loyalty as Aussie fan, but asking to raise it to the enxt level. Be prepared to accept some bitter realities like Ponting. Its like how a bachelors & Masters graduate look at the same subject.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-07 21:22:52
TA you have got to a point where I dont even feel like going through your post. True, I'm not welcome to do so but that's not the point. I'd like to know what exactly you do in life. There's no logic in what you say. There might be a few reasons why you keep coming up with such rubbish.
1) You have been brain-washed by jingoistic articles in your dailies.
2) You want to keep this blog alive with your petty perspectives.
3) You are a hypocrite and even though you know what actually happened, your hypocrisy forces you to take the wrong side.
4) You derive pleasure out of bickering.
Coming to T20, since when do u aussies call it 'another form of the game'. One win and just one win makes you go crazy about it! Then you must understand the money showered on the Indian cricket team after their win in T20 world cup wasn't an exaggerated amount.
Test matches? Dont even mention the Sydney Test win. It's not a win, it's looting.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-07 21:33:34
1) You have been brain-washed by jingoistic articles in your dailies.
2) You want to keep this blog alive with your petty perspectives.
3) You are a hypocrite and even though you know what actually happened, your hypocrisy forces you to take the wrong side.
4) You derive pleasure out of bickering.
Coming to T20, since when do u aussies call it 'another form of the game'. One win and just one win makes you go crazy about it! Then you must understand the money showered on the Indian cricket team after their win in T20 world cup wasn't an exaggerated amount.
Test matches? Dont even mention the Sydney Test win. It's not a win, it's looting.
Posted by Zapper on 2008-03-07 21:33:34
Sorry Ravi. Your post is only fractionally better than Zapper's which is, well, enough said. Having you comment on my 'level' was amusing though. Sad, actually, I thought dialogue was maybe possible with you.
Thanks for the links though. These don't look like they are produced by Indian rags. Anyway, I guess I'll have to keep waiting.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 22:01:15
Thanks for the links though. These don't look like they are produced by Indian rags. Anyway, I guess I'll have to keep waiting.
Posted by TA on 2008-03-07 22:01:15
Dialogue... With Indians fans?? Impossible TA. We won't accept that Indian team/media was more at fault than Australian team/media. We'll have it at 50/50 and be happy. What do you think? After all we did win some battles and I am proud of my team that gave me the opportunity to talk to Aussie fan on level terms.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 23:12:49
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 23:12:49
Ravi,
Truth be told, there is nothing called bad gamesmanship. There's only gamesmanship. What do you think of Tendulkar taking an eternity to get ready to face a ball? Stretching the rules... Isn't it?
Gamesmanship is something that every player can indulge in to win and it was sad that in SCG India was not in any position to indulge in gamesmanship (you know they have used it before and will use it in future too). Just because a losing captain doesn't have the face to admit that his side just caved in and made a stupid statement that rest of the second handers in the world of cricket agreed with, it doesn't make it right.
Funny thing is Aussie fans want Kumble to apologise for his comment, because Hayden was made to apologise for his. I think they are venting their frustration on the wrong end. It should be towards CA and not Indian fans. and I like Harbhajan. I hope he bothers the Aussies as much as he did in this tour in the future too. It is funny to see Aussies getting worked up over a silly game.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 23:29:24
Truth be told, there is nothing called bad gamesmanship. There's only gamesmanship. What do you think of Tendulkar taking an eternity to get ready to face a ball? Stretching the rules... Isn't it?
Gamesmanship is something that every player can indulge in to win and it was sad that in SCG India was not in any position to indulge in gamesmanship (you know they have used it before and will use it in future too). Just because a losing captain doesn't have the face to admit that his side just caved in and made a stupid statement that rest of the second handers in the world of cricket agreed with, it doesn't make it right.
Funny thing is Aussie fans want Kumble to apologise for his comment, because Hayden was made to apologise for his. I think they are venting their frustration on the wrong end. It should be towards CA and not Indian fans. and I like Harbhajan. I hope he bothers the Aussies as much as he did in this tour in the future too. It is funny to see Aussies getting worked up over a silly game.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-07 23:29:24
Indian,
Not sure whether you are saying Kumble was wrong with his statement or the Aussies are wrong for pointing it out. You seem to talk both sides.
Reg. gamesmanship, everyone indulges in little stuff; like Brett Lee asking Pathan how he felt his bouncer, or later Pathan asking Lee's opinion on his boundary. Its fun, but if it crosses the line it is unwelcome. Like many things, the grey area is where the action happens, not in black & white. As long as the grey area does not cross limits, it should be fine.
Did Sachin actually pressure the umpire while appealing, or claim bumped catches, or sledged on & off the field like his life depended on it? Taking abit long to take his stand, common give the old man a break. Even his worst Aussie critics give Sachin lot of respect.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-08 10:29:08
Not sure whether you are saying Kumble was wrong with his statement or the Aussies are wrong for pointing it out. You seem to talk both sides.
Reg. gamesmanship, everyone indulges in little stuff; like Brett Lee asking Pathan how he felt his bouncer, or later Pathan asking Lee's opinion on his boundary. Its fun, but if it crosses the line it is unwelcome. Like many things, the grey area is where the action happens, not in black & white. As long as the grey area does not cross limits, it should be fine.
Did Sachin actually pressure the umpire while appealing, or claim bumped catches, or sledged on & off the field like his life depended on it? Taking abit long to take his stand, common give the old man a break. Even his worst Aussie critics give Sachin lot of respect.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-08 10:29:08
TA,
I thought Tendulkar had an awesome Test series - not sure where your comment came from mate...
I think everyone either needs to accept all forms of gamesmanship or just have no form of it and start penalising players with yellow cards and suspensions like they do in football...
This is professional sport not backyard cricket, where might I add you cop plenty anyway...
I think India have learnt to sledge better and be more aggressive and not cry about it, hence it has helped them be more competitive...
I don't think Ponting can control his players, and it seems like we would rather win the aggression stakes than the cricket. Looks like Clarkey is the only one sensing an opportunity here to further his career by cleaning up his image and focussing on cricket, he has avoided a lot of the controversy since...
Punter seems like a decent bloke but looks like he is toeing the line between being one of the boys and putting his foot down and standing apart as a leader...
Indian journalism is mass-sensationalised rubbish the media like many things appears to be fundamentally emotional and pander to the masses rather than report the facts. I compare it to the US where you have so many clowns on Fox news who really sex up the press with controversy just to sell their crap...
The Telegraph is the closest we would have to it in Sydney, maybe MX but even these are not so bad as Indian, US or even UK trashy tabloids..
What really irks you is when so called respected commentators like Sunny, who is a shady character at best, comes out and says the crap he says...
Didnt they find rolls of rupee notes in his locker in Mumbai at the Wankhede Stadium, not much cred if you ask me...?
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-08 13:15:36
I thought Tendulkar had an awesome Test series - not sure where your comment came from mate...
I think everyone either needs to accept all forms of gamesmanship or just have no form of it and start penalising players with yellow cards and suspensions like they do in football...
This is professional sport not backyard cricket, where might I add you cop plenty anyway...
I think India have learnt to sledge better and be more aggressive and not cry about it, hence it has helped them be more competitive...
I don't think Ponting can control his players, and it seems like we would rather win the aggression stakes than the cricket. Looks like Clarkey is the only one sensing an opportunity here to further his career by cleaning up his image and focussing on cricket, he has avoided a lot of the controversy since...
Punter seems like a decent bloke but looks like he is toeing the line between being one of the boys and putting his foot down and standing apart as a leader...
Indian journalism is mass-sensationalised rubbish the media like many things appears to be fundamentally emotional and pander to the masses rather than report the facts. I compare it to the US where you have so many clowns on Fox news who really sex up the press with controversy just to sell their crap...
The Telegraph is the closest we would have to it in Sydney, maybe MX but even these are not so bad as Indian, US or even UK trashy tabloids..
What really irks you is when so called respected commentators like Sunny, who is a shady character at best, comes out and says the crap he says...
Didnt they find rolls of rupee notes in his locker in Mumbai at the Wankhede Stadium, not much cred if you ask me...?
Posted by Ace on 2008-03-08 13:15:36
Ravi,
You are being very inconsiderate when you keep coming back to 'claiming bumped catches'. It is like Aussies coming back to Harbhajan having lied about using the word monkey. The video evidence is not conclusive, not like when Ganguly claimed one or Dhoni claimed one. So in this case, we have no other way than to believe Ponting/Clarke.
I am definitely saying Kumble was wrong in saying what he said. It felt odd to me then too. But then it sparked an outrage that was funny to say the least. Suddenly it didn't matter that we bowled poorly in the second innings and created no opportunities to win the match, but then were hell bent on destroying the team that created so many opportunities and managed to pressure the umpire. Do you think an umpire is a 'touch me not' plant? He deserves to be pressured to make mistakes and then be kicked out of the elite panel. I don't find any sympathy for the umpire, who was clearly at fault. Not Aussie players.
I also think Aussie fans are stupid to expect Kumble to apologise for his comment. The rich have their way, in all walks of life. If CA is stupid enough to reprimand Hayden for a harmless comment, its none of BCCI's business.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-08 14:07:20
You are being very inconsiderate when you keep coming back to 'claiming bumped catches'. It is like Aussies coming back to Harbhajan having lied about using the word monkey. The video evidence is not conclusive, not like when Ganguly claimed one or Dhoni claimed one. So in this case, we have no other way than to believe Ponting/Clarke.
I am definitely saying Kumble was wrong in saying what he said. It felt odd to me then too. But then it sparked an outrage that was funny to say the least. Suddenly it didn't matter that we bowled poorly in the second innings and created no opportunities to win the match, but then were hell bent on destroying the team that created so many opportunities and managed to pressure the umpire. Do you think an umpire is a 'touch me not' plant? He deserves to be pressured to make mistakes and then be kicked out of the elite panel. I don't find any sympathy for the umpire, who was clearly at fault. Not Aussie players.
I also think Aussie fans are stupid to expect Kumble to apologise for his comment. The rich have their way, in all walks of life. If CA is stupid enough to reprimand Hayden for a harmless comment, its none of BCCI's business.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-08 14:07:20
Indian,
There is clear evidence for Punter, Clarke, Symo claiming bumped catches against India, Sri Lanka recently.
Tere is no evidence of Harbhajan calling Symo a monkey. That rests the case.
India should not have lost 3 quick qickets at end in Sydney test, but they did no deserve to lose with 8 umpire decisions against them. Many Aussie columnists & journalists felt India was cheated.
Kumble was stupid? if he was it would not have caused the storm it did as no one would care for his comments.
"CA is stupid enough to reprimand Hayden for a harmless comment ..."; this is weird at atleast 2 levels.
"umpire is a 'touch me not' plant? He deserves to be pressured to make mistakes .." - I doubt if many people will share your view. Not even the fittest umpire can withstand the pressure for 5 days with relentless pressure applied on him. You seem to think elite panel umpires come from a different planet. They are just like you & me. Lets cut down the Rambo talk.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-08 17:12:13
There is clear evidence for Punter, Clarke, Symo claiming bumped catches against India, Sri Lanka recently.
Tere is no evidence of Harbhajan calling Symo a monkey. That rests the case.
India should not have lost 3 quick qickets at end in Sydney test, but they did no deserve to lose with 8 umpire decisions against them. Many Aussie columnists & journalists felt India was cheated.
Kumble was stupid? if he was it would not have caused the storm it did as no one would care for his comments.
"CA is stupid enough to reprimand Hayden for a harmless comment ..."; this is weird at atleast 2 levels.
"umpire is a 'touch me not' plant? He deserves to be pressured to make mistakes .." - I doubt if many people will share your view. Not even the fittest umpire can withstand the pressure for 5 days with relentless pressure applied on him. You seem to think elite panel umpires come from a different planet. They are just like you & me. Lets cut down the Rambo talk.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-08 17:12:13
dude ravi,
I am on the same side. If there is evidence for claiming bumped catches, I am very happy that Australian team can be slandered further. Only I haven't seen any.
What I am more interested is the great Slater's 'point of view' that batsmen needn't necessarily walk. I remember that stupid piece of fudge clearly making a big fuss on Dravid not walking when he claimed a bumped catch few years ago. When asked about the hypocrisy, he simply brushes it off saying that he had personal problems during that time. I also remember Ponting recently frustrated that Karthik didn't walk. Bunch of crybabies, Australian team are.
I am still waiting for the day when India beats Australia convincingly and play a lot more mind games with them. I liked what Harbhajan said about Gilly. The biggest reason I hate Gilly is because he walks. Otherwise a wonderful player to watch bat.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-08 17:36:08
I am on the same side. If there is evidence for claiming bumped catches, I am very happy that Australian team can be slandered further. Only I haven't seen any.
What I am more interested is the great Slater's 'point of view' that batsmen needn't necessarily walk. I remember that stupid piece of fudge clearly making a big fuss on Dravid not walking when he claimed a bumped catch few years ago. When asked about the hypocrisy, he simply brushes it off saying that he had personal problems during that time. I also remember Ponting recently frustrated that Karthik didn't walk. Bunch of crybabies, Australian team are.
I am still waiting for the day when India beats Australia convincingly and play a lot more mind games with them. I liked what Harbhajan said about Gilly. The biggest reason I hate Gilly is because he walks. Otherwise a wonderful player to watch bat.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-08 17:36:08
Indian,
I agree the Aussies seem to have double standards about walking. While they demand their opponents walk, they themselves act as if it is their right to stay rooted to the crease. Look at the dismissal of Mike Hussey in the 2nd final at Gabba. For a player of his stature, he must have been embarassed at the least.
Gilly is great, but I always he is a bit image conscious, & tries to come off as a fair-minded friendly guy, when he is clearly not. Maybe better than rest of Aussies, but not to the extent he laps up credit. Anyone who watched him sledge or claim Rahul Dravid's catch can see thru the drama.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-08 17:42:07
I agree the Aussies seem to have double standards about walking. While they demand their opponents walk, they themselves act as if it is their right to stay rooted to the crease. Look at the dismissal of Mike Hussey in the 2nd final at Gabba. For a player of his stature, he must have been embarassed at the least.
Gilly is great, but I always he is a bit image conscious, & tries to come off as a fair-minded friendly guy, when he is clearly not. Maybe better than rest of Aussies, but not to the extent he laps up credit. Anyone who watched him sledge or claim Rahul Dravid's catch can see thru the drama.
Posted by Ravi on 2008-03-08 17:42:07
Now he says he didn't make those comments. Clever guy this Bhajji. He made sure he wasn't caught making those statements. Keep it coming, Sardarji.
The Aussies are now thinking of plans about how not to let IPL soften the intensity in October. May be hang out together between matches or even throw some of them.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-08 19:52:45
The Aussies are now thinking of plans about how not to let IPL soften the intensity in October. May be hang out together between matches or even throw some of them.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-08 19:52:45
To sum it up.
1. Symonds started all this bullshit single handedly by abusing Bhaji while he was giving friendly pat to Lee.
2. Australians while claiming to be high on morals have been fond of cheating to win at all cost.
3. India should not have lost test series but due to imcompetent umpires.
4. The better side won the ODI series.
5. Ponting and Hayden have big mouths and that was shut bigtime by Tendulkar and Bhaji respectively.
6. Bhaji is really mentally stronger than we thought and handled the crowd pressure and on-field mind games surprisingly well.
7. Bhaji personally gave it back to his two best friends in CB finals.
8. Sledging sucks, but Indians have given it back to Aussies. Aussies are now tasting their own medicine and its bitter.
9. Cricket should be played with bat and ball and not with mouth.
10. I am out of here.
Posted by Anurag- on 2008-03-10 03:35:20
1. Symonds started all this bullshit single handedly by abusing Bhaji while he was giving friendly pat to Lee.
2. Australians while claiming to be high on morals have been fond of cheating to win at all cost.
3. India should not have lost test series but due to imcompetent umpires.
4. The better side won the ODI series.
5. Ponting and Hayden have big mouths and that was shut bigtime by Tendulkar and Bhaji respectively.
6. Bhaji is really mentally stronger than we thought and handled the crowd pressure and on-field mind games surprisingly well.
7. Bhaji personally gave it back to his two best friends in CB finals.
8. Sledging sucks, but Indians have given it back to Aussies. Aussies are now tasting their own medicine and its bitter.
9. Cricket should be played with bat and ball and not with mouth.
10. I am out of here.
Posted by Anurag- on 2008-03-10 03:35:20
The Aussie cricket team will henceforth be called 'Makhees', meaning flies in Hindi. Because they buzz around all the time and are only a irritant. It is very close to Monkeys when written in English, so I love it.
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-10 15:19:00
Posted by Indian on 2008-03-10 15:19:00
I find these comments by 'Indian fans' to be downright one-eyed garbage. The BCCI called Symonds a liar until those famous Getty images appeared. It boggles the mind that him and Hayden would react in such a way to fabricate a situation to the extent that India can claim the moral high ground.
I fiend for the day when Indians realise what type of person Harbajhan Singh is.
Sure us Aussies arent saints, but atleast we admit and get reprimanded for our comments.
You are blind beyond belief and it is actually very sad. Please keep the 'aussies are racist sledgers' comments coming because i've never been this amused.
Harbajhan commenting on Hayden/Gilly in India makes him a hero, why didnt he do it in Australia? Oh yes because the aussie media would put a 'spin' on it.
Please keep adoring your 'saint', his time will come very soon.
Posted by ShootME on 2008-03-17 01:19:28
I fiend for the day when Indians realise what type of person Harbajhan Singh is.
Sure us Aussies arent saints, but atleast we admit and get reprimanded for our comments.
You are blind beyond belief and it is actually very sad. Please keep the 'aussies are racist sledgers' comments coming because i've never been this amused.
Harbajhan commenting on Hayden/Gilly in India makes him a hero, why didnt he do it in Australia? Oh yes because the aussie media would put a 'spin' on it.
Please keep adoring your 'saint', his time will come very soon.
Posted by ShootME on 2008-03-17 01:19:28
this is not the case even whenthey play in inida people give great regard to them but the media is do much for their own publicity
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