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Why Haydos and Roy must be dropped


Heads roll when Australia loses a Test. In this case, not just a Test but a series. Not just a series but a home series. The last time we lost a home Test series was over a decade and a half ago. So a single scapegoat seems hardly sufficient...

But you have to start somewhere - let's kick off with Matthew Hayden. Not because he's the main reason for our loss but because I can't see him being part of the solution. His batting is reminiscent of Daryl Cullinan in Shane Warne's crosshairs. There was a desperation to Cullinan's batting - a sense of inevitability as it was only a matter of time before he was dismissed. So he went the tonk and if lucky, smashed a few boundaries before being dismissed.

Similarly, Hayden only has one answer - go hard at the bowling and hope for the best. In the 2nd innings, Smith noticed Hayden persisted in driving on the up so speculated with a short cover. Two balls later, Hayden obliged by bunting the ball straight to the fielder. Smith's strategy was as smart as Hayden's was stupid. Such a cavalier approach might work for a number 7 or 8 but not for an opener.

Normally, the selectors wouldn't drop Hayden mid-series - they've always displayed reluctance to drop players from the Test team (unless you're a spinner in which case you're lucky to get consecutive Tests). But as Sydney is a dead-rubber, this would be an ideal opportunity to blood a new player in preparation for the South African tour. Chris Rogers must be the front-runner replacement although the 20 year old Phillip Hughes would be an interesting long-term option. Considering the calamity of a home series loss, this is no time for conservative selection.

Now I've always been skeptical about Andrew Symonds as a Test player. There's no denying he's immensely talented and hits the ball harder than just about anyone else in the game. He's ideal if your team is 4 for 400 and requires a quick 50 to demoralise the opposition before declaring. However, these days Australia are more likely to be 4 for 40 (particularly with Haydos opening) and in desperate need of a grafting middle-order fightback. Andrew Symonds is not that type of batsman. Horses for courses, as they say.

Australia need to realise the golden age is well and truly over now - the blips are coming too hard and fast to be considered anything but a trend. We can no longer play in the manner we've grown accustomed to. What we need is tough, grafting players in the mold of Allan Border - who prize their wicket with a zealous passion. Having Gilchrist come in and hit a run a ball century (or sometimes a two run a ball century) was great while it lasted. Now we need to rebuild similar to the recovery process in the 80's following the retirements of Lillee, Marsh and Chappell. Let's hope the selectors can make some hard decisions before Sydney.

P.S. - while it's ludicrous selection swapping spinners back and forth like they've done over the last 4 Tests, I confess I would love to see Bryce McGain play in Sydney (but that'd be a legspinner bias).


Posted by JC on Tue 30 Dec 64 comments
Whilst Hayden and Symonds need to be forcibly ended, Ponting should be 'rested' now and Lee should be dropped from the squad indefinitely. The latter for playing when he knew he wasn't fit (and subsequently under-achieving AGAIN), and the former for allowing him to play knowing that Lee wasn't fit.

All this mateship and sentimentality has to go JC. The selectors need to toughen up and the Skipper needs to hand the keys over and concentrate on his fine batting (still gets the willys in the 0's 90's, heroic as he can be!).

Punter's blame game and muddled fields are showing him up as a bad loser and poor strategist (a la Ashes 2005). Good job he's one of the greatest batmen ever!

Gilly and Warne saw this kind of loss coming and got out yonks ago, so why didn't the coach and captain see the writing on the wall?????
Posted by virtualgaz on 2008-12-30 15:45:44
So you're saying hand over the captaincy to Pup? Not sure it's the right time for that. Not happy about Ponting's conservative captaincy but don't think he should be deposed just yet.

I also dunno about dropping Lee - 12 months ago, he was player of the year. Of course, the question is moot as his injury will have him out for a while. Now we're definitely dipping deep into the second tier bowlers. Should be interesting times.

You have to give credit to John Buchanan - prudently resigning his coach job the same day Warne and McGrath retired. Now there's a bloke who read the writing on the wall and ran for the hills at exactly the right time.
Posted by JC on 2008-12-30 16:43:46
Ponting has to accept full responsiblity for the demise of Australian Cricket just as he accepted the accolades when we were doing well. He consistently blames others yet fails to make strategic decisions (never bowling Katich as an example when nothing else was working in RSA first innings).

He also continues his stance on playing "aggressive" cricket which clearly is not working for the team - Australia seems to have lost the value of their own wicket. Maybe a pep talk from Steve Waugh might be in order?

Poor bowling choices, poor fielding, ensuring mates retain their spots when they make no runs and field poorly are all Pontings doing.

If this series does not bring major changes to the team and bring in people that respect the value of baggy green. Personally I am tired of seeing our cricketers in ad after ad on TV - maybe time spent in the nets or focusing on the game may be preferable.

I trust that board of Cricket Australia have the guts to turn this team inside out and move us back from the 4th best test team to the top team (yes we will slide to 4th behind RSA, India and England. How long will they allow this charade to continue? A whitewash on home soil?

Ponting's legacy will be as the captain that has managed to loose everything Australia as taken 20 years to secure - let him get back to batting and find someone who is a true leader of men take over the captaincy.
Posted by avabeer on 2008-12-30 16:57:42

Ponting has to take a lion's share of the blame but the bottom line in cricket is the rule: Bowlers win matches, batsmen save matches Australia's stocks have risen or fallen depending on the strength of our bowling attack. When you have two bowlers in the one attack with over 1000 combined Test wickets, any mug can captain that side. It was exactly the same with the West Indies in the 80's - they consistently had 4 or 5 hellishly quick and scary bowlers. And its no coincidence that South Africa is bristling with talented bowlers at the moment. So yes, Ponting is not perfect. But would Mark Taylor or Steve Waugh had been as successful if they hadn't had Shane Warne to throw the ball to before things could go pear shaped. That said, much of Australia's problem seems to be they're not adjusting to this new paradigm of having a crap bowling attack. They need to adopt their whole approach, particularly application while batting. Much of this leadership will need to come from Ponting.


Posted by JC on 2008-12-30 17:13:24
Agree totally that bowlers win matches and batsmen save matches - Our batsmen clearly have to shoulder a large portion of the blame. They could not save the MCG test yet RSA seemed to have trouble on the same wicket (albiet facing different bowlers) however the only thing wrong with the batting pitch was stupid shot selection.

I see that Haydos survived the cut for the SCG, can not understand how poor form can be rewarded like this indefinitley. Someone else should have had his spot who may have valued their wicket and got Australia on to some sort of foundation.
Posted by avabeer on 2008-12-30 19:02:24
i think the blame should flow in this order:
Hilditch (and crew)- they had a great opportunity with the NZ series to blood some new players. That and their failure to say, that's 3 strikes Matt, Brett and Michael (H) see if you can get some form before the Ashes.

Ponting- for all of the reasons others have mentioned, he clearly own a textbook of field positions and is too afraid to throw it away. Smith has scored freely with some of the best late cuts i've seen and nothing creative was done to stem it.

Neilsen- for not pushing CA to reinvigorate the cricket academy and give up and coming players the idea that they have a chance at making the XI.

All of the out of form and injured players who didn't say, "give a young bloke a shot while i get myself right."

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Posted by stoph on 2008-12-30 20:09:39
So the news is out, Matt Hayden is still in. Disappointing from the selectors. However, I'm half expecting an Oval 2005 type innings from Hayden just to ensure he goes to South Africa - with an obvious Ashes swansong to finish off his career. And that really ticks me off!

I don't think Brett Lee or Michael Hussey warranted dropping before the current series - until these last two Tests, Hussey had never had two consecutive innings in single figures. Brett Lee had a cracker of a Test against New Zealand, bagged a bunch of wickets. Even now, I wouldn't drop either of them.

Ponting does seem sluggish strategically. It took about 7 or 8 boundaries through the slips before Ponting made a change.
Posted by JC on 2008-12-30 22:26:52
JC you are right about hayden. I'm as diehard an aussie cricket fan as they come but at this point its selfish to me.
I honestly feel he is holding back the team in terms of progress and growth purely to satisfy his ego. And the selectors are in his back pocket.
I also agree with you about Hussey/Lee. They are proven performers and had two bad games. Hayden hasnt scored in months.
In a good note i'm happy with Bollinger getting a callup and just hope he is in the 11. McDonald could be a snake in the grass, we'll have to see.
But the faith in Hauritz over Krejza to me is pathetic.
He is the most defensive offy in the world and couldnt turn the ball if he hit a tectonic plate fracture.
If only the selectors picked Chapelli's 11 on the cricket show today. Chap's mention of marcus north was long overdue.
Posted by offcutter on 2008-12-30 23:22:12
Hmmm Interesting Solution Drop Haydos. Looks like everyone is taking potshot at the injured here :). Clearly remember, how his aggressive style batting was being applauded on this very blog not so long ago.
The problem with the team at the moment, is more of the complancency that crept in. Haydos has not been an exception. Rather than introspection, the top players in this team resorted to blaming and going in Self Denial mode. Its this Self denial that has hurt the team more than anything.

I would like Clarke to be elevated to Captainship. But knowing his nature, Ponting is too stubborn to behave professionally and support Pup as a Batsman. He would definitely act like jerk and become divisive force in the team. The Selectors are caught on really wrong foot, feel sorry for their woes :-(
Posted by Unsuidojo on 2008-12-31 00:56:26
Unsuidojo, it is fair and right to applaud someone when they are performing, it is fair and right to support them through a minor form slump and it IS fair and right to take them out of the team when they are consistently NOT doing their job.
if i went to my day job and failed to live up to my expected quotas- day in day out- i'd be in the bosses office too, and walk out with a pink slip!

enough is enough, people can't be carried continuously on reputation!

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Posted by stoph on 2008-12-31 07:47:08
I agree, drop the Queenslanders. Katich should have a shot at captain, somewhat in the AB mould.

Just heard that Andrew McDonald has been drafted into the squad, apparently Roy's injured now.

Hilfenhaus and Bollinger will net-off for Lee's spot.

Haydon's been retained, 3-0 to the Saffas then. A collapse starts with one.
Posted by Moses on 2008-12-31 08:39:23
Hmm, I have been advocating dropping fellow Queenslanders, haven't I? Geez, that'll mean even more cockroaches in the Australian team - as if it isn't NSWcentric enough as it is. I might have to rethink my position.
Posted by JC on 2008-12-31 09:39:10
lookout JC, the Vics are creeping in! ;-)

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Posted by stoph on 2008-12-31 20:18:20
That's what happens when you put a Victorian (Merv Hughes) on the selection committee.
Posted by JC on 2009-01-01 17:31:07
And even though i've been screaming for one for years, i'm regretting it now!

I loved him as a player, but as a selector, Merv is reprehensible!

I would cop another Vic as a selector... but i don't think there is enough money in it for S.K.Warne.
Posted by stoph on 2009-01-01 18:35:39
This discussion sounds like the ones cricket lovers in India had a decade ago with every party throwing weight behind candidate from their "Area".

And also there was major influence of the three metros and various regional selectors in team selection process. Thanks to Aggression of Saurav Ganguly that trend of regional priorities were pushed back. Ganguly resorted to horses for courses method and backed "young talent" to the hilt. The above discussion reflection that factionalism is creeping the australian cricket team selection. If that indeed is a case, is it reason for the slide in cricketing fortunes of Australia :-?

PS - Read elsewhere about Ian Chappel sharing my views about Ponting being dropped completely, because Ian is not sure how much constructive will Ponting be playing under some other skipper
Posted by Unsuidojo on 2009-01-02 09:52:35
Dropping Ponting? Regardless of the relative merits of Ponting playing underneath another skipper, that idea is completely mental and would never happen. Ian Chappell is wasting his breath.

If Australia were gonna pick a Queenslander, they should pick Ashley Noffke - I don't know why some Victorian I never heard of made the squad before him. Other than that though, I'm quite happy for the other two banana benders in Haydos and Roy to come join the state side again.
Posted by JC on 2009-01-02 16:06:16
Don't quote me but I think Noffke hasn't been playing for Queensland lately because of ongoing back problems. I'm sure i read this somewhere but can't find it now.

If we need to keep the queensland quota there's always James Hopes. Sure he's getting on, but he could bat either Hayden's or Symmond's position.
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